Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-31 Thread Gary Schiltz
Though I'm a pretty rusty, out of practice programmer, I certainly echo Frank's response pointing to readability. Not just the code itself, but also (mainly?) in the documentation of the software artefact, a straightforward diagram and discussion of how it fits into an overall architecture. Complet

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hey, Dave! Congratulations!!! On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 8:09 AM Prof David West wrote: > I am keynoting the International Conference on Code Quality on April 22. > It will be speculative and philosophical, but I would like to know "code > quality" might mean, is taken for granted to mean, to prof

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Steve Smith
On 3/30/23 9:13 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: And a little inside wink to Steve Smith nudging the the story closer to our idea of Dual.Space and now you are creeping me out mannn...  ChatGPT's response: "Dual.Space: Zen and the Art of the Immanent Light Fields" is a philosophical exploration of

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Grant Holland
Prof, I have two specific items to add to your list of qualities: 1. Code should implement a “design to the interface” approach to support interchangeability and other qualities. 2. This question: Can AI code generation obviate any requirement for “software quality” as we know it? Congrats on

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Stephen Guerin
And a little inside wink to Steve Smith nudging the the story closer to our idea of Dual.Space ChatGPT's response: "Dual.Space: Zen and the Art of the Immanent Light Fields" is a philosophical exploration of the concept of "Quality" in the context of an immersive digital space. The protagonist, th

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread David Eric Smith
One could tweak this in even the most blunt way to make it more convincing. The author and his son spend a pretty-much unbearable number of hours sitting in one chair typing on keyboards in front of screens, during which the narrator …. Eric > On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Stephen Guerin >

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Stephen Guerin
Glen Josh and I talk the same way internally as we're architecting: the duality of code and data as we continually try to simplify down to the core. Some related links: - https://theprogrammersparadox.blogspot.com/2020/08/duality.html - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_as_data - https

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
Readability is important. It has implications for maintainability, modifiability, reusability and other abilities. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:09 AM Prof David West wrote: > I am keynoting the International Co

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread glen
One of the issues I'm struggling with at the moment is workflow [in]formality as related to data provenance. Analogous to "no free lunch", I claim there's no such thing as raw data. From this perspective "code" is nothing but a (set of) transformations of data (perhaps including other code, or

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Stephen Guerin
PromptCraft to GPT4: "Give a summary of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance but replace the idea of the quality of maintaining a motorcycle to the quality of software code" ChatGPT: Zen and the Art of Software Code Maintenance is an introspective and philosophical journey that examines the c

[FRIAM] a little help from my friends

2023-03-30 Thread Prof David West
I am keynoting the International Conference on Code Quality on April 22. It will be speculative and philosophical, but I would like to know "code quality" might mean, is taken for granted to mean, to professional coders. I know what it means for this conference, but would like a broader base fro