Re: [FRIAM] MoNA

2019-10-28 Thread Steven A Smith
This was one of the best threads in a while IMO.   I was still studying the background material from the OP moral foundations theory (MFT) and the flagship study as I caught up with the evolving thread.   I am still fascinated by the MFT work, etc... The AOC/Warren v Zuckerberg/FB examples were ver

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2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yeah, well said. I guess I hope the same thing. On 10/28/19 12:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I hope that is not true. I hope that the swapping abilities become a > selective advantage in civilization. I think it is along the lines of your > advocacy for role playing. The folks who don't w

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2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < If we've spent our experienced years building and cleaning up occult infrastructure and we aren't replaced by people with similar Necker-cube swapping abilities, our legacy will be whatever mode dominates as we crash: hegemonic infrastructure or bursts of throwaway Bash code. >

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2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Very cool way to frame it! It well captures how I think of Pelosi, in contrast to AOC and Warren. Pelosi seems capable of maintaining multiple ways of operating to meet objectives that might seem to conflict otherwise. And I agree that *experienced* people do this ... have learned to do this ...

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2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
57 AM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MoNA Hm. OK. If I try my best to steel-man an argument, I'd have to say the only thing ingrained is the tendency to think systemically (democrats) versus the tendency to think causally (republicans). I can posit this is ingrained in their biology, eithe

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2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Hm. OK. If I try my best to steel-man an argument, I'd have to say the only thing ingrained is the tendency to think systemically (democrats) versus the tendency to think causally (republicans). I can posit this is ingrained in their biology, either learned as they're reared or is some kind of g

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2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
pplied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MoNA I’m still stuck on “root mean square”. L 2, Brute? --Barry On 28 Oct 2019, at 12:53, Frank Wimberly wrote: To me "RMS" denotes Richard M. Stallman but that's because I'm old I guess. --- Frank

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2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
team that can get it done, or the `deep state' will eventually make a move. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣ Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 11:12 AM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MoNA Yeah, Warren's stunt was nice, too. [https://www.cnet.com

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2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yeah, Warren's stunt was nice, too. [https://www.cnet.com/news/warren-runs-a-false-facebook-ad-to-protest-false-facebook-ads/] Again, though, this seems to be about rhetoric, not ingrained morality. AOC and Warren are *arguing* one point, Cambridge Analytica et al are arguing another point. Tru

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2019-10-28 Thread Barry MacKichan
I’m still stuck on “root mean square”. L 2, Brute? --Barry On 28 Oct 2019, at 12:53, Frank Wimberly wrote: To me "RMS" denotes Richard M. Stallman but that's because I'm old I guess. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly M

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2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
And, https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2019-09-16/santa-fe-institute-received-275-000-through-jeffrey-epstein From: Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣ Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 10:57 AM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MoNA Yes. RMS

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2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Yes. RMS: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/17/20870050/richard-stallman-resigns-mit-free-software-foundation-epstein On 10/28/19 9:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > To me "RMS" denotes Richard M. Stallman but that's because I'm old I guess. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ===

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2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
rom: Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣ Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 10:45 AM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MoNA I doubt it. I forget who the aphorism is attributed to, but "Never ascribe malice when incompetence will suffice" comes to mind. These subversive approaches may simply stretch

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2019-10-28 Thread Frank Wimberly
To me "RMS" denotes Richard M. Stallman but that's because I'm old I guess. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Oc

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2019-10-28 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I doubt it. I forget who the aphorism is attributed to, but "Never ascribe malice when incompetence will suffice" comes to mind. These subversive approaches may simply stretch the competencies and energy of the people who would otherwise carry them out. It's possible that it's simply too difficu

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2019-10-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
ensoring. Because if it were happening all the time, then folks like Spencer would be absent from the world. Marcus From: Friam on behalf of glen∈ℂ Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:16 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] MoNA Well, that's a

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2019-10-28 Thread glen∈ℂ
Well, that's a reasonable heuristic. But there are complications. A good example might be the "preemptive strike", when you perceive a slow-growing threat, some of which may have a noisy signal prone to misinterpretation. (Thinking Iraq invasion.) E.g. our home grown domestic terrorists like Ri

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2019-10-27 Thread Gillian Densmore
It's not that deep. Someone is (physically) attacking you for some bonkers reason? It's fine (and even encouraged some say) to some how deffend your self. So there you go- a not all that deep example On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 3:40 PM glen wrote: > I'm neck deep into an argument with a friend about

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2019-10-26 Thread glen
I'm neck deep into an argument with a friend about the ethical use of violence (e.g. punching nazis) and continue finding rabbit holes, which my dilletante homunculus prevents me from diving into, that look like "sophistry" (air quotes indicating the abused meaning, not the proper philosophical