Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-23 Thread Eric Charles
ll see. >> >> >> >> I look forward to talking about the models. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >> >> Clark University >> >> http://home.e

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-23 Thread Eric Charles
ke it or you don’t. Sounds like a good discussion to > have on Friday > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
o:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation Nick, Whenever I say this it doesn't seem to register. Pearl, Glymour, Spirtes, et al have put statistical causal reasoning on a firm foundation. This involves learning causal models from observational rather tha

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank > Wimberly > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:55 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@re

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
r 22, 2017 7:10 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation One of the recurring conundrums of teaching. Finger pointing at the moon On Nov 22, 2017 14:32, "Eric Charles" mailto:eric.philli

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
ritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl > Tollander > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:10 PM >

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:10 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation One of the recurring conundr

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Carl Tollander
One of the recurring conundrums of teaching. Finger pointing at the moon On Nov 22, 2017 14:32, "Eric Charles" wrote: > "Is there any way to put those two things together: the abduction thing > and the misattribution thing? " > > I would head in a different direction. The question is abou

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Eric Charles
"Is there any way to put those two things together: the abduction thing and the misattribution thing? " I would head in a different direction. The question is about, how one does the attribution; the answer is, most people do it poorly. In a large part, the history of scientific *method *is a his

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Eric, Thank you, Eric. OF COURSE, that is what I should have said. Thank you for saying it so excellently. Peirce did in fact see causal attribution as a form of abduction. I would hope I would have thought to say it myself, if I wasn’t so distracted by the “counter-factual” thang

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Frank Wimberly
kthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger > Critchlow > *Sent:* Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:31 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Downw

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Nick Thompson
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:31 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation Nick -- Sure, bean plants growing in time lapse is an excellent example of coarse gr

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
*Sent:* Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:01 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation > > > > I looked at the abstract and thought, of course, if you "coarse grain" the > visua

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Nick Thompson
7 3:01 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation I looked at the abstract and thought, of course, if you "coarse grain" the visual field, then you synthesize objects out of groups of pixels that cohere together in time and spa

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
riam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger > Critchlow > *Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:15 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation > > > > Nice.

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-18 Thread Nick Thompson
son/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-18 Thread Roger Critchlow
Nice. -- rec -- On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Carl Tollander wrote: > Of interest, also the whole issue... http://rsta. > royalsocietypublishing.org/content/375/2109/20160338 > > C > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv

[FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-18 Thread Carl Tollander
Of interest, also the whole issue... http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/375/2109/20160338 C FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailma