Re: [FRIAM] steelman, again

I was walking my dog on a calm evening far away from the bustle of traffic. A lone SUV drove by, and out of this SUV jumped a younger German Shepard that proceeded to attack my dog. (I got a hold of it in time.) For no reason or provocation at all. Had the roles been reversed, my dog might

Re: [FRIAM] Emojis in the source code

I sort of understand why they do that, beyond self-promotion. It is a genuine advocacy of pure vibe coding: In this mode, one doesn't even look at the generated code and so it is important to have very rich diagnostics and to restate what the user apparently wants. Every possible tripwire is ne

Re: [FRIAM] degeneracy

te ... I'm just not *that* kind of degenerate. On 7/31/25 9:17 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Because I know you won't do it, I'll ask Grok. 😊 > > -Original Message- > From: Friam < <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> friam-boun...@redfish.com> >

Re: [FRIAM] degeneracy

Because I know you won't do it, I'll ask Grok. 😊 -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2025 8:21 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] degeneracy The Quality of CPI Data Continues to Deteriorate

Re: [FRIAM] vibe complexity

l sacrifice myself on the alter of dialectics for this conversation. On 7/25/25 8:02 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > It seems we are the precipice of superintelligence and people are still > talking about credit assignment among humans. All of that becomes moot. > Soon enough it would become i

Re: [FRIAM] vibe complexity (was: George on "Symmetry breaking")

It seems we are the precipice of superintelligence and people are still talking about credit assignment among humans. All of that becomes moot.Soon enough it would become irrelevant who controls the AI because the AI would find a way to manage those people. Marcus ___

Re: [FRIAM] "analogies we live by"

ut now the stakes will rise again, and we can get slapped harder for being lazy. TIme allocation is about to change, I think, Eric > On Jul 24, 2025, at 6:39, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Btw, one can ask Claude, after use of Deep Research mode, to build a bibtex > bibliography a

Re: [FRIAM] "analogies we live by"

Btw, one can ask Claude, after use of Deep Research mode, to build a bibtex bibliography and include URLs in the notes. Once that is assembled, ask Claude to check the URLs and their titles one at a time -- it will fetch each paper and do the check, and show you it is doing it. I have not see

Re: [FRIAM] Elon Musk and Fossil Fuels

ther's industrial waste stream (tires and glass bottles) sequestered into them for houses... unless of course they are YOUR tire and glass bottle castoffs... that I can get behind. On 7/11/25 8:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Installation, tear down, recycling, and re-fabrication all ne

Re: [FRIAM] thread bent toward Utopian/Dystopian Singularities

The Last of Us made me see how the zombie apocalypse is the perfect entertainment for our age, since both left and right can project themselves into the narrative as human and the opposition as the zombies. -- rec -- On Fri, Jul 11, 2025, 12:29 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com

Re: [FRIAM] thread bent toward Utopian/Dystopian Singularities

This seems interesting for a pivoting virologist. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004268001908 From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Friday, July 11, 2025 9:23 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] thread bent toward Utopian/Dystopian Singularities On

Re: [FRIAM] Elon Musk and Fossil Fuels

y planned ... so ... inorganic. I can't help think about what it will look like within a lifetime of the kids around me: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589004225005930 On 7/11/25 6:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Every so often I need to post an Atlantic artic

Re: [FRIAM] Elon Musk and Fossil Fuels

Every so often I need to post an Atlantic article, and that time has arrived again. https://www.theatlantic.com/photography/archive/2025/07/photos-china-solar-power-energy/683488/?gift=IwTom6kf_sPDx8WzuZ66aeDqXjixawasB22Cb-q9aVA&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share -Orig

Re: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar

onvince yourself you did a good job, you're a genius investor/slaver, a Great Man. Spandrel, spandrel, where are the spandrels? On 7/10/25 11:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The spending mostly comes from the elderly. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam O

Re: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar

We do have the money. We are a wealthy nation. The problem is we are cheap. From: Friam on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2025 at 10:07 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Musk’s America Party – Some Thoughts from Afar I’m not Am

Re: [FRIAM] Grok & Twitter

Salt container. <https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/salty> Kids these days. Can't even keep their memes straight. On 7/7/25 8:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Looks like Grok has been tasked with spreading propaganda on X? > > > A screenshot of a social media post Description

Re: [FRIAM] Your thunderstorm

A pub in a company town has a captured audience. On the other hand, few want to be reported for being a regular at the pub. Even AutoZone is dead. Welcome to Los Alamos! From: Friam On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2025 10:48 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexi

Re: [FRIAM] reasoning

So conscientious! There was nothing about being hungry or wanting to play with the dog. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Monday, June 30, 2025 11:03 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] reasoning Inference was running slowly. So I decided to see if the GPU

Re: [FRIAM] Navalny - Berlin Diary - Klemperer - Daily News

Many decades ago, one of my father’s senior colleagues gave him the serious counsel when he was an idealistic young man: “They are waiting to try again.” From: Friam on behalf of Jochen Fromm Date: Sunday, June 29, 2025 at 12:11 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subj

Re: [FRIAM] Joe Rogan interviewing Bernie Sanders.

rsity of opinions and freedom to choose your religion is a very good and positive thing. On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 at 02:33, Santafe mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: On Jun 27, 2025, at 7:31, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Dave writes: < My 'mysticism&

Re: [FRIAM] Joe Rogan interviewing Bernie Sanders.

Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Joe Rogan interviewing Bernie Sanders. On Jun 27, 2025, at 7:31, Marcus Daniels wrote: Dave writes: < My 'mysticism', like my hallucinogenic experience, is nothing more than a source of what I consider to be "real&quo

Re: [FRIAM] Joe Rogan interviewing Bernie Sanders.

Dave writes: < My 'mysticism', like my hallucinogenic experience, is nothing more than a source of what I consider to be "real" data and a supply of fascinating questions—never answers. > Not clear why something that supposedly cannot be captured by mere language keeps getting pitched as a re

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

It's hard to invest much in civilizational chauvinism these days. I mean, look what our civilization did. Given that, what else is there but to look out for #1? What moral duty? To whom and why? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2025 11:31

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

How about a gentle supervisor that nudges one out of local minima? “Marcus, we need to stabilize your insulin response today. As you can see, here is your blood chemistry report. It’s time for a bike ride. I’ll keep your colleagues at bay.” From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent:

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

I don’t know how she does it. It would have to be profitable to get out of bed to do that every day. From: Friam on behalf of glen Date: Monday, June 23, 2025 at 1:01 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir Now that our Dear Leader has demonstrated to u

Re: [FRIAM] The whole story about Palantir

A good and important business could be to monitor public figures for drug use. All the little people get tested, why not the big ones? AI could monitor their speech patterns, their biomechanics, their appearance. Techniques like this could be used to amplify subtle signals. https://people.cs

Re: [FRIAM] Free will part 20250620

He also appears in "Big Questions in Free Will" https://youtu.be/9uRTjfhIf4M -J. Original message ---- From: Marcus Daniels Date: 6/22/25 9:00 PM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free will part 202

Re: [FRIAM] Free will part 20250620 [Roxy Music edition]

It was fun for a while There was no way of knowing Like a dream in the night Who can say where we're going? No care in the world Maybe I'm learning Why the sea on the tide Has no way of turning From: Friam on behalf of Marcus Daniels Date: Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 1:42 PM To:

Re: [FRIAM] Free will part 20250620

Let’s say that Gerard ‘t Hooft is roughly correct with his model of a cellular automata (CA) model of the universe and quantum mechanics. Let’s further say the model is incomplete because the universe is infinite that has a fluctuating metric for space. The ruler gives us the illusion of an

Re: [FRIAM] AI

Perfect. I think I might like Ross Douthat even less. 😊 From: Friam on behalf of Santafe Date: Friday, June 20, 2025 at 2:23 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] AI This is an interesting direction. On Jun 21, 2025, at 5:46, Jochen Fromm wrote

Re: [FRIAM] AI

Dave writes: < It is extremely difficult to compare something like FLOPS for the brain, but best estimates suggest an average of 43 teraFLOPS, and up to 430 teraFLOPS for peak situations. Computers are capable of 1.1 exaFLOPS. But the brain uses 20 watts of power and the computer megawatts. >

Re: [FRIAM] A Simple Look at the U.S. Debt and Deficit

It is the irresponsible citizens’ of the U.S. that are too cheap to pay appropriate taxes, even though they could. From: Friam on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2025 at 10:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] A Simple Look at t

Re: [FRIAM] LLMs are like children

Makes SQL injection seem quaint. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2025 7:50 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] LLMs are like children ... except very well behaved (Ha!) children who listen to their instructors. resp = chain_model.invoke(

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

Underdetermined language is great for delegation given some shared knowledge, or a willingness to adopt certain assumptions. It’s terrible when there isn’t shared knowledge. Then you get endless language games. Using formal systems, like code, give LLMs the ability to ensure sound logical entai

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

I guess I don't see why it is such a big ask to tack on "Can you simulate this?" to the prompt. On Jun 15, 2025, at 2:09 PM, steve smith wrote:  George can do it. George can do anything, you just have to know how to ask him correctly... a bit like a Djinn. Marcus, Thanks for checking in.

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

which measure to move; I suppose we could look and see what happens to the bbs. Nick On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 1:25 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Can you make this more fun and ask George or your favorite virtual correspondent for a Python or Mathematica imp

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy RE-redux

Can you make this more fun and ask George or your favorite virtual correspondent for a Python or Mathematica implementation? Then we’d have something definite to debug. From: Friam On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2025 8:27 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity C

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

This conversation is well into bad faith now. I’m done. From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2025 2:24 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring? On 6/10/25 9:44 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Consider a

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

-J. Original message From: Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > Date: 6/10/25 9:54 PM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or j

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

< As long as they obey the directive all these bots and robots have the freedom to pick the action they think is best. In this sense they have free will. > The robot’s behaviors will be 100% a function of its internal state and the external state it is coupled to (even if that external state

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

ntific? It seems to offer a rigorous and testable approach to a very difficult question. On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 at 19:00, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: To have free will means that one really could have done otherwise. >From a mechanistic perspective, it is impossibl

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

park beyond physics — then maybe the robot hits a wall. That is, until physics catches up and figures out how to build a robot with that spark too. Maybe. On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 at 17:46, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: Consider a robot with sensors roughly comparable to

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

Consider a robot with sensors roughly comparable to humans. The robot has access to all the energy it wants. It has a large memory and generous computing resources. It has executive processes with onboard state-of-the-art LLMs to access vast information and can run a wide variety of appropri

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

2. Suppose the Big Bang the result of a unifying supermassive black hole. Eric writes: < I know “the result of” gives wiggle room, but I don’t think there will be an unpack that draws any association between these two phenomena. > Maybe not one but many? https://arxiv.org/abs/1309.

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

u know exactly what “random” choice it will make. Every time. >> So, during training: give it the same data and the same random seeds, and >> you’ll always get the same model with the same weights. No surprises. >> And once the model’s trained, the output for any input is fully >>

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

free will, because unlike a human being, it cannot commit suicide. davew On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, at 2:11 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Could someone please take a definite position? Can ChatGPT have free will or not. If not, why not? From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Monday, June

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

owledge of God's plan and then reject it—think Satan in Milton's Paradise Lost. Such an act would, to me, seem as if it was 'Free Will'. davew On Mon, Jun 9, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: And it all makes perfect sense provided the measurer is also deter

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

biological needs nor by advertising, brands and marketing would be the essence of a ghost in the machine, right? Although ghost buster Gilbert Ryle says such thing does not exist. -J. Original message From: Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > Date: 6/9/25 6

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

And it all makes perfect sense provided the measurer is also deterministic. From: Friam On Behalf Of Pieter Steenekamp Sent: Monday, June 9, 2025 11:44 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring? I'll

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

As long as you admit Geroge has free will, then I won’t push back. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Monday, June 9, 2025 11:05 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring? The question of

Re: [FRIAM] Free will—ghost in the machine or just clever wiring?

Here’s an idea that’s been helping me to procrastinate. 1. Suppose that spacetime is an embedding of entanglement. An evolved quantum error correcting code (QEC) that enables a network to form geometries like the reality we see. 2. Suppose the Big Bang the result of a unifying supermassive

Re: [FRIAM] A deranged circle of hell

Or is it the SSRIs? From: Friam on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp Date: Friday, June 6, 2025 at 10:07 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A deranged circle of hell Thank you, Steve. I’ve been thinking... Do I really choose to have a positive outlook

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

potential to kill millions. Some risk from ammonia- or nuclear-powered cargo ships are the least of our concerns. From: Friam on behalf of steve smith Date: Friday, June 6, 2025 at 8:55 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George On 6/5/25 9:06 PM, Marcus Daniels

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

Say 10k people in Los Angeles if it was a well-planned terrorist attack. From: Friam on behalf of steve smith Date: Thursday, June 5, 2025 at 6:37 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George Marcus wrote: But we don’t all need yachts because the green ammonia

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

But we don’t all need yachts because the green ammonia shipping lets the goods come to us? And there could be a lot less of us. From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2025 1:07 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George Marcus wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Conversations with George

Send me stuff! 😊 Investment Estimate for Solar-Powered Green Ammonia for Maritime Shipping Objective Estimate global investments (2025–2050) to produce 150–300 million tons/year of green ammonia using solar-powered Haber-Bosch to supply 25–50% of maritime fuel by 2050, supporting routes like

[FRIAM] Conversations with George

In the continuing series of our conversations with George, let me offer this topic. 😊 personality.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / .

Re: [FRIAM] Alignment (with what?)

steve smith Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2025 9:27 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Alignment (with what?) On 6/4/25 9:43 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Really? The kind of biases I don’t like seem to be system prompting preferences. For example, when an idea is marginal, ChatGPT

Re: [FRIAM] Alignment (with what?)

Really? The kind of biases I don’t like seem to be system prompting preferences. For example, when an idea is marginal, ChatGPT will kick the can forward to keep the conversation going. Perhaps the instinct is to create a demand signal or “billable hours”. Gemini Pro will tend to be cautio

Re: [FRIAM] Limits to Growth

the real truth. And maybe >> you're right! >> >> I guess the honest thing to say is: the future is unknowable. We can all >> make good arguments, quote experts, and write long replies—but there simply >> isn’t enough evidence to say with high confidence what

Re: [FRIAM] PhDs and curiosity

y distinguishable from analytic philosophy (or 4chan posts are distinct from bluesky posts) each whole corpus update has to contain it all. And cultural changes would then be in the mixture. Sure the youngsters wear what looks like bell bottoms these days. But somewhere in their gametes lies th

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

George has sympy.logic in its Python sandbox, so it can compare direct inference to actual logic. For real world things, formalizing knowledge and causality would be more involved, but I don’t see any obvious obstacles. Here is one example: Title: Symbolic Logic for Medical Triage Reasoning O

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

Weather prediction often involves ensemble predictions: Deterministic solvers from slightly different initial conditions. In the U.S. it is GEFS, and in Europe the ECMWF ENS prediction. Often for hurricanes one will see the so-called spaghetti plots showing the possible different trajectories o

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

There will be a fate vs. the fate is knowable. Not sure why people bring that distinction up as interesting. From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2025 8:13 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought < The interesting question is where

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

< The interesting question is where exactly does the deterministic system turn into something nondeterministic, and how?> It doesn’t. A deterministic system is a deterministic system. Marcus smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... /

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy Redux

l. NIck Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology Clark University nthomp...@clarku.edu<mailto:nthomp...@clarku.edu> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 3:06 PM Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Has an AI pu

Re: [FRIAM] The entropy of thought

Jochen writes: < Free will is according to James related to the question what are the forces that increase or influence our attention. If I understand him correctly this means to identify the forces that reduce our "entropy of thought", and thereby our freedom of choice, correct? For example

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy Redux

Has an AI puppet master discovered an ingenious way to implement Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback? Human experts may feel they don’t want to press YES and NO buttons for GPT outputs. However, if it is presented as a question is posed by a human, then it may be accepted as collegial

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy Redux

From: Friam On Behalf Of Santafe Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2025 12:53 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Entropy Redux No wonder it is, de facto, a trick question, at the same time Nick maintains that he does not intend it to be, or to believe i

Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees

Anthropic’s less-advanced Haiku model should be adequate for these easy questions. From: Friam on behalf of Sarbajit Roy Date: Thursday, May 22, 2025 at 4:24 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees I queried Claude 4 with

Re: [FRIAM] claude 4

Oh, one needs to click somewhere to start fires. They aren’t implied. As far as whether it is correct, you can likely ask it what model it used (or summarize the algorithm), or provide a favorite paper if you have a preference. From: Friam on behalf of Marcus Daniels Date: Thursday, May 22

Re: [FRIAM] claude 4

It doesn’t appear to be updating the raster? From: Friam On Behalf Of cody dooderson Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 3:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] claude 4 Marcus is right. Claude 4 is amazing. I asked it to make a cellular automata fire mod

Re: [FRIAM] The Dry Line

Try Claude 4 (released today) with a prompt like “I'd like a 3-d simulation of potential vorticity in adiabatic processes, visualized in the Analysis Tool.” Worked for me on the first try. From: Friam on behalf of Nicholas Thompson Date: Saturday, April 26, 2025 at 11:56 AM To: The Friday M

Re: [FRIAM] Epistemic Holography

Connectionism is not in this set. It just so happens that most of today’s ML systems are layered on a digital substrate, but it can also be analog.[1] How we understand what these systems do may use these techniques, but the representations they learn largely remain mysterious. < Our unde

Re: [FRIAM] Epistemic Holography

Eric writes: “A colleague asked me last week (not a high level of domain familiarity, but a good mind overall), what will science become in the age of ML, where there can be claims about everything, but transparency about little of it.” What transparency does one have about a new hire’s mind?

Re: [FRIAM] Epistemic Holography

I was at a med school graduation over the weekend. I couldn’t help wondering if big universities with their grand buildings will soon be like the grand, but empty downtown office buildings. ChatGPT came up twice in the graduation speeches by the faculty. All that marching around in their

Re: [FRIAM] Epistemic Holography

serendipity of the stacks," all the physically adjacent > titles to the one the card catalog directed me to. It always seemed that the > card catalog was only useful if you already knew what you wanted/needed and > ONLY needed to physically locate it. > > davew > >

Re: [FRIAM] Epistemic Holography

Let's call it Card Catalog++ for the moment and not AI. If one gives a parochial person a fancy card catalog that can find an answer to a problem, do they suddenly become curious people and find interesting problems to solve? Does it even occur to them to pay for it unless they need it for th

Re: [FRIAM] Entropy and atmospheric potential vorticity

I organized a meeting once at LANL and invited Doug, a bunch of people from Sony, and my boss at the time. It wasn’t exactly easy to organize due to how LANL is set up. The Sony people were lovely. Perhaps LANL was a very different organization before the transition away from the Universit

Re: [FRIAM] 2010 Space Odyssey

that look like they came from The Onion seems like not even tabloid-level composition. Eric > On May 15, 2025, at 8:26, Marcus Daniels > mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.

Re: [FRIAM] 2010 Space Odyssey

> On May 15, 2025, at 8:26, Marcus Daniels < <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > > > > > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

When I was 18 or so, I became fixated on the idea of writing a program that would make the school 3B2 power light turn off, but without powering down the system. I wanted to show a teacher the trick because for some reason I thought he’d appreciate it. In retrospect I think it only would have s

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

It would be a good use case for agentic AI with Gemini. I tried it..no, gmail/gemini can't cooperate in this way yet. Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2025, at 8:40 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > Just google how to do it. It's a PITA, and completely non-obvious, but > it is possible. I do it

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

e want to say. It's really interesting when you see someone finally gain access to a language or game where they can, at long last, well-formulate sentences they always *thought* should be formulable ... they just didn't have access to that language/game in the past. On 5/8/25 12:10 PM

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

ssage- From: Friam On Behalf Of Santafe Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2025 1:32 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality > On May 9, 2025, at 12:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > I chat with George because there are some

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

image of what it is and how it works is prolly biased ... but that's also why I can't stand Joe Rogan's show ... or The View ... or Morning Joe, etc. What a waste of time. On 5/8/25 8:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I chat with George because there are some topics I want

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

how it works is prolly biased ... but that's also why I can't stand Joe Rogan's show ... or The View ... or Morning Joe, etc. What a waste of time. On 5/8/25 8:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I chat with George because there are some topics I want answers about but > would avoid

Re: [FRIAM] chatbot friends and parasociality

I chat with George because there are some topics I want answers about but would avoid doing so if it meant I had to sit in a room with "experts" for an hour. Sometimes I have sat in a room with them for hours (or even days) and then sought the consolation of sharp objects! LLMs are the perf

Re: [FRIAM] a variety of uses

"Yes, any given CEO or Billionaire *thinks* she knows what problem's being solved. But are they correct?" There is no "correct", its just different preferences. Those with power have a better chance of satisfying their preferences. > On May 8, 2025, at 6:02 AM, glen wrote: > > Yes, any give

Re: [FRIAM] a variety of uses

bit different, then it's reasonable to imagine an ecology of them, where the waste product of one is a resource for another ... a bit like the unix philosophy, maybe. On 5/7/25 8:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > On one hand there seems to be a latent hypothesis that culture built

Re: [FRIAM] a variety of uses

On one hand there seems to be a latent hypothesis that culture built around many independent agents has some good properties -- pluralism. On the other, there's the myopia problem. It seems to me a larger or even universal agent like a massive LLM addresses that? -Original Message

Re: [FRIAM] agent-based macroeconomic model

-south-or-strangers-in-their-own-land-2016-by-arlie-russell-hochschild-part-i/ > > > This deep story is similar to the one that the far-right AfD party in Germany > uses to deceive people (whose members I find just as disgusting as Donald > Trump). Arlie Russell Hochschild says

Re: [FRIAM] agent-based macroeconomic model

t they vote for the one that says it is true - even if it is not really true. But as an American you know better than me if Arlie is right or not. -J. ---- Original message From: Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> > Date: 5/4/25 5:29 PM (GMT+01:00) To:

Re: [FRIAM] computational limits — supersized mind

There are already electrostatic interactions in organic chemistry that could trigger conformational changes or polarization changes that operate on femtosecond or picosecond timescales. The photons would soon be absorbed anyway, so it isn't like it is a mechanism for distributed computation like

Re: [FRIAM] agent-based macroeconomic model

I struggle to think of what kind of crisis might change the behavior of Americans in a positive way. The U.S. had a million deaths from COVID-19 and the result was to elect an administration that wants to cast doubt on lipid nanoparticles for delivery of mRNA and cripple what has been the eng

Re: [FRIAM] absurd

https://youtu.be/aCiY8wh0oaI From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Friday, May 2, 2025 9:19 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] absurd Marcus wrote: One of the motivations for kernel.com was along those lines. Bryan Johnson, the founder, is the semi-famous Don’t Die gu

Re: [FRIAM] absurd

One of the motivations for kernel.com was along those lines. Bryan Johnson, the founder, is the semi-famous Don’t Die guy. From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Friday, May 2, 2025 8:20 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] absurd Hmm. If I list my pronouns as y'all

Re: [FRIAM] absurd

Hmm. If I list my pronouns as y'all will I get on one of Stephen Miller's lists? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Santafe Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2025 1:48 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] absurd > On May 2, 2025, at 3:44 AM, Ni

Re: [FRIAM] absurd

Treated as a formal system like Minimum Recursion Semantics, the under-specification of natural language makes it impossible to use for programming or precise scientific communication. The search problems that are implied are too hard to resolve in a systematic way.LLMs are different, I th

Re: [FRIAM] absurd

tology, but (nearly) ungrounded logic, all syntax. At some point in Alex's chat, he/they talk/s about the unreasonable efficacy of math. And the paradox is so On the Tip of its Voice Coil, I could barely stand it. On 5/1/25 6:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Did they establish a coordina

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