Re: [FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

2024-07-23 Thread steve smith
was he the guy who named the Higgs Boson the "God Particle"? GPT sez: # The nickname "God particle" was popularized by the media and comes from the title of the book "The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?" by physicist Leon Lederman. # Lederman originally

Re: [FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

2024-07-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
Steve wrote "In this split between the ultra-rational and the mystic I am more an agnostic than anything, not convinced of either having primacy ". This reminds me of a conversation I had with my boss at the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, a Division of Carnegie Mellon. He was a devout Catholic

[FRIAM] Self-Consciousness, experience and metaphysics

2024-07-23 Thread Nicholas Thompson
David's last post so effectively blurs the lines between these two that I am going to give up, for the moment, on my attempt to keep them straight. Intuition tells me that Dave's post falls on one side of the line, and Glen's on the other, but I have to go shopping. I am still hoping to hear ex

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

2024-07-23 Thread Marcus Daniels
The issue is not that operators can be defined differently from popular definitions, it is that they aren't defined at all, or are defined on the fly. To retrospectively define the operator would require understanding the sociology of MAGA, microcosms of interaction, and the desire to destroy g

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

2024-07-23 Thread Roger Critchlow
The Murky Pond - I think that's the correct pragmatist metaphor for the world and our lives in it. My mother's parents owned a farm on the eastern shore of Maryland, a traditional summer retreat from DC or NYC. The farm, Leecote, had a roller coaster dirt drive that wound from the improved road t

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

2024-07-23 Thread steve smith
REC - well found and well quoted... blink blink.  I would try to expand/expound but would surely just stir the mud I've already raised in this already murky pond... tx,  - SAS This was kind of enlightening, too, on hackernews yesterday, in the vein of 'Dude, what happened to liberalism?'

[FRIAM] Back to the effing ineffable!

2024-07-23 Thread steve smith
EricS/DaveW Meanwhile, the program of living, including all its events of choosing, is not contained within the formal system.  Alongside the formal system, the program of living as it is realized is yet-another thing in the world, of a different kind. This is downright poetic. It echoes Sch

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

2024-07-23 Thread Roger Critchlow
This was kind of enlightening, too, on hackernews yesterday, in the vein of 'Dude, what happened to liberalism?' https://www.conspicuouscognition.com/p/the-marketplace-of-misleading-ideas >From a marketplace of ideas to a marketplace of rationalizations is such a small shift, like one of those

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

2024-07-23 Thread Eric Smith
This feels incomplete to me in a fundamental way. I am sure I will say the next thing badly, so will stay short. I understand what “truth” is as a Boolean value propagated by rules within a formal system. For me to participate in the use of the tokens and rules of the formal system — includ

Re: [FRIAM] New Mexican's Sunday's story on education proficiency

2024-07-23 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
>From tally marks as numbers are real things to modern mathematics Tally marks were the first way people counted things. They were good for simple counting and helped people think of better ways to count. As societies grew and needed to count more things, they needed better methods. Tally marks we