Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

These are fun. If you extend the shortest route from Charlotte to Honolulu you end up in New Zealand. But if you look for shortest route from Charlotte to New Zealand, it is essentially [slightly sigmoid] straight line passing through Central America. And if you look at the route from NZ t

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

The basic insight is that the central limit of random walks from any point in a soap bubble (whose surface is a harmonic potential function) to the boundary will generate the harmonic function. On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:53 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > "Is this related, at some level, to..." > > Oh y

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

"Is this related, at some level, to..." Oh yeah, like in classical geometric probability. Yeah, I wonder too. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http:

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

Is this related, at some level, to numerically integrating a function on an interval by randomly generating points and counting what percentage lie inside versus outside, etc? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 5:37 PM Jo

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

In the northern hemisphere a great circle route between two points with the same latitude will be north of the parallel, so if the latitudes are close, the great circle will arch above the straight line (for most map projections that keep “parallels” parallel). A gnomonic projection of the world

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

"Not to change the subject but..." Oh, there's no change of subject at all (relative to the discussion of Random Evolutions). It seems with your mentioning of geodesics that we are back talking about harmonic functions. SteveG, did you happen to read the Scientific American paper that RogerF and

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

Interesting too to get distances for a question I have often asked folks: Santiago, Chile is on the west coast of South America. Which US city has the closest value of longitude? often have to remind that longitudes are the north/south meridians / lines on the globe. 1. Los Angeles 2. Houst

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

That gives a good view, Stephen. Hawaii is farther south than I thought. Thanks. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 3:19 PM Stephen Guerin wrote: > I was going to post this similar site but Ed beat me with his :-) This

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

I was going to post this similar site but Ed beat me with his :-) This one also has a globe view... https://www.greatcirclemap.com/globe?routes=CLT-HNL ___ stephen.gue...@simtable.com CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com 1600 L

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Thanks, Ed. That's useful. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 1:54 PM Edward Angel wrote: > Close: https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/clt-to-hnl/ > ___ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, A

Re: [FRIAM] Great Circle

Close: https://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/clt-to-hnl/ ___ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home)

[FRIAM] Great Circle

Not to change the subject but... A large airliner recently, 15 minutes ago, flew over Santa Fe headed west. My Flight Radar app tells me that it's a Boeing 777 going from Charlotte to Honolulu at an altitude of 38000 feet. I wouldn't have thought that Santa Fe was on a great Circle route between

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

Right. And I reject that. My previous answer still stands: phenomena are real, epiphenomena are not. Phenomena can be ojbective, independent of any perspective (or necessarily extant in any possible world). On 9/19/21 12:26 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Get out your steelman kit, because

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

Get out your steelman kit, because I absolutely DON’T believe that an epiphenomenon is a thing. What I do think is that every thing is both phenomenon and epiphenomenon depending on how we look it, depending on the interpretant we bring to bear. So that the smoke cloud is llama shape is epi

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

Sorry, Jon. This comment, coming from Nabble and all, is so deracinated I don’t understand it. I WANT to understand it. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 2:10

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

These discussions often remind me of Blegvad's Leviathan: http://www.leviathan.co.uk/science/science01.html .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://r

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

"...*then* we can falsify my claim that they don't validate against the real world." i.e., that the concept of epiphenomena is itself an epiphenomenon. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

No, I think you fully believe that. Where we disagree is that I think epiphenomena are purely an artifact of the formal language used. That means if your language is not formal, then you have no epiphenomena. All this informal talk you engage in, here, contains nothing like a well-defined thing

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

Good question. Philip Ball promised to send me a copy of his book "Critical Mass" which is about the concept of a "physics of society". It is on the top of my pile of books to be read. A physics of Minsky's society of mind would be nice. I have thought for a long time that the confusing feeling

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

Stephen, Please see larding below. Your attempt to escape our agreement was deft, but unsuccessful. I think you would agree (reluctantly, perhaps) that there is, sometimes, a reason to think of nodes in a system as individuals. And I agree, enthusiastically, that very often, one learns mo

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

The other side is welcome to describe how their magic works, but there’s no urgency in listening to them until they do. From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 7:12 AM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can a r

Re: [FRIAM] Can a robot have a soul?

You’re what we experience-monists call a “stuff-monist” All monists are the same, basically. No matter what color you paint the ford-150 it’s still a ford 150. Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Fria