Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death

2020-03-23 Thread Marcus Daniels
If he selects his favorites to be at the front of the line for his compassionate care that should help one way the other. He knows that the way to evaluate drug effectiveness is by feel and belief. > On Mar 23, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > > My first reaction to this was: THANK

[FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death

2020-03-23 Thread Steven A Smith
My first reaction to this was:  THANK YOU DEAR LEADER! https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of accident to POTUS45 or not... my gut instinct is that his constant raving about it is what trigger

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread thompnickson2
Well, I gather it’s a little more complicated than siphoning somebody’s gas tank. For one, the serum has to be typed and screened for toxins, right? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread Steven A Smith
Thanks for the two references: Glen> The convalescent sera option for containing COVID-19 https://www.jci.org/articles/view/138003 Barry> https://www.globalhealthnow.org/2020-03/covid-19s-stop-gap-solution-until-vaccines-and-antivirals-are-ready This is particularly promising, especially the

[FRIAM] 11 countries are now using people's phones to track the coronavirus pandemic, and it heralds a massive increase in surveillance, Business Insider - Business Insider Singapore

2020-03-23 Thread Tom Johnson
My apologies. I should have put all this in one message https://www.businessinsider.sg/countries-tracking-citizens-phones-coronavirus-2020-3 Virus-free. www.avast.com

[FRIAM] It's time to track people's smartphones to ensure they self-isolate during this global pandemic, says WHO boffin • The Register

2020-03-23 Thread Tom Johnson
Per our ZOOM conversation last Friday It's time to track people's smartphones to ensure they self-isolate during this global pandemic, says WHO boffin Overseas travelers and others need to stay home – and we should use their phones to monitor them, we're told https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020

[FRIAM] Europe Eyes Smartphone Location Data to Stem Virus Spread - The New York Times

2020-03-23 Thread Tom Johnson
Europe Eyes Smartphone Location Data to Stem Virus Spread By The Associated Press March 23, 2020 Updated 9:08 p.m. ET https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/23/business/ap-us-virus-outbreak-phone-surveillance.html https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/03/23/business/ap-us-virus-outbreak-phone-

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread Barry MacKichan
See on the Johns Hopkins site: https://www.globalhealthnow.org/2020-03/covid-19s-stop-gap-solution-until-vaccines-and-antivirals-are-ready On 23 Mar 2020, at 12:15, cody dooderson wrote: @Steve Smith . You mentioned that someone who has become resistant to a virus may be able to donate their

Re: [FRIAM] unstated motivation for prediction across "phase transitions"

2020-03-23 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < My guess (if there is a positive one) is the generally positive outcome will be that the less privileged of the world will significantly damage the pet cages of the privileged such that poorer people will spill enough blood of the rich people so that the poorer people will be in

Re: [FRIAM] unstated motivation for prediction across "phase transitions"

2020-03-23 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
That's a rare bit of optimism for you. >8^D If there is a good outcome, I doubt it'll be that one, merely because that's only 1 among many. My guess (if there is a positive one) is the generally positive outcome will be that the less privileged of the world will significantly damage the pet cage

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Maybe helpful? The convalescent sera option for containing COVID-19 https://www.jci.org/articles/view/138003 On 3/23/20 9:15 AM, cody dooderson wrote: > @Steve Smith . You mentioned that someone who has > become resistant to a virus may be able to donate their blood to s

Re: [FRIAM] unstated motivation for prediction across "phase transitions"

2020-03-23 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < Well, to be clear, I put "phase transition" in scare quotes because I think it's a terrible phrase and a bad analogy to pretty much anything in our psycho-socio-political world. > It may be a usable analogy. One could model some agents as having many short-range and spatially

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread Edward Angel
Here’s part of my friend's email. I think the differences between the US and NZ are clear. As a contrast to the example I pointed out, the SF schools closed with no preparation for online learning. After two weeks they are starting it using the pads they own, Comcast hot spots and training for

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread Barry MacKichan
Good government. What a concept! —Barry On 23 Mar 2020, at 10:48, Edward Angel wrote: This weekend I received an email from a good friend in NZ. Unlike the U.S, NZ spent the last two months preparing for what is happening now. For example, the schools spent a lot of time preparing teachers to

Re: [FRIAM] unstated motivation for prediction across "phase transitions"

2020-03-23 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Well, to be clear, I put "phase transition" in scare quotes because I think it's a terrible phrase and a bad analogy to pretty much anything in our psycho-socio-political world. It may even be a bad analogy for collections of organisms, though I'm less confident there. So the answer to your last

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread Barry MacKichan
Wasn’t that used in the ebola epidemic? —Barry On 23 Mar 2020, at 12:15, cody dooderson wrote: @Steve Smith . You mentioned that someone who has become resistant to a virus may be able to donate their blood to someone struggling with symptoms. does that actually work? Cody Smith On Mon, Ma

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread thompnickson2
Ed, How do you read this? It sort of seems like, even with all that sane preparation, they ended up in the same stupid stew we are in. No? I guess, we’ll see. The needed to put all the returnees on islands and send people out to the islands to live with and take care of them until the d

Re: [FRIAM] unstated motivation for prediction across "phase transitions"

2020-03-23 Thread thompnickson2
Hi, Glen, As you know, I have a great respect for working metaphors, in the sense of metaphors that work,in the sense of putting a metaphor to work, and in the sense of working out all the implications of a metaphor. So I rose to your metaphor like a hungry trout. Remember that this d

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread cody dooderson
@Steve Smith . You mentioned that someone who has become resistant to a virus may be able to donate their blood to someone struggling with symptoms. does that actually work? Cody Smith On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:48 AM Edward Angel wrote: > This weekend I received an email from a good friend in

Re: [FRIAM] unstated motivation for prediction across "phase transitions"

2020-03-23 Thread Marcus Daniels
I would say working for the government, a university, or an established corporation is akin to be a well-kept pet. Sure people work to gain entry into those organizations. Dogs can work to get adopted too; they have get their audition just right. To work for start-ups is more like being a f

[FRIAM] unstated motivation for prediction across "phase transitions"

2020-03-23 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I'd mostly recovered from the conversation on Friday morning (primed by the GDoc mentioning trading freedom for safety) by last night. Then this morning, I read the article below, with a thought experiment excerpted. The "obvious" answer the author provides: "No, of course not" is preposterous

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread Edward Angel
This weekend I received an email from a good friend in NZ. Unlike the U.S, NZ spent the last two months preparing for what is happening now. For example, the schools spent a lot of time preparing teachers to be able to teach effectively on line. Ed ___ Ed Angel Founding Di

Re: [FRIAM] Papers on asymptomatic transmission and serology

2020-03-23 Thread Barry MacKichan
The case count in New Zealand is at least 100. The early cases were from travelers who had been in Italy and Iran. Then the word went out that citizens needed to come back to NZ, and some cases were among this counter-diaspora. Then a group from a cruise ship went on a tour through Te Papa, a n

[FRIAM] some links

2020-03-23 Thread Prof David West
some of the most unbiased, apolitical, information I have found https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56 davew