Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Eric, Thank you, Eric. OF COURSE, that is what I should have said. Thank you for saying it so excellently. Peirce did in fact see causal attribution as a form of abduction. I would hope I would have thought to say it myself, if I wasn’t so distracted by the “counter-factual” thang

Re: [FRIAM] Downward Hicausation

2017-11-21 Thread Eric Charles
What great timing! One of the best philosophy comics on the web right now is "Existential Comics." This very week they took a swipe at "causation." Here is an adventure of Sherlock Hume: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/212 I suspect that the best I can do to contribute beyond that is to try fal

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Hm. I suppose I'm a fan of the *category*. I was a "co-op" student in college and it did wonders for me. But there was no agreement that I'd definitely take a job with them after graduation. So, perhaps I got the better end of the deal. It wouldn't have bothered me much to sell some of my f

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Marcus Daniels
Oh boy, careful what you wish for: Indentured Servitude.The legislative things to do are to prevent just that. Bring back pensions and give an incentive to stay for five years. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/11/the-push-for-education-programs-that-pay-people-as-they-learn

Re: [FRIAM] Downward Hicausation

2017-11-21 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Also Known As: Beware equating experience with existence. On 11/21/2017 02:00 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Beware the tendency to think that if you can't immediately measure something > then it doesn't exist. -- ☣ gⅼеɳ FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] Downward Hicausation

2017-11-21 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick, As I recall, there is more than one problem with the counterfactual definition of causation. I think once when we talked about this some years ago I told you that the definition of causation that my CMU colleagues find most useful is: A causes B if the occurrence of A causes a change in the

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Marcus Daniels
Does it even mean anything? Why not allow 529e for a child one might have or come to know? Then could start even earlier. From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 2:17 PM To: Friam@redfish. com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Stud

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Tom Johnson
Reportedly there's some anti Roe v. Wade language tucked in the bill, too. See page 92-93, I recall. TJ On Nov 21, 2017 4:14 PM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote: > On the other hand, many professors want a cheap, dedicated labor force, > and benefit from having a labor pool that believes they have poor

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Marcus Daniels
On the other hand, many professors want a cheap, dedicated labor force, and benefit from having a labor pool that believes they have poor employment options until they say otherwise. Why should being a grad student an exercise in suffering? Meanwhile, research is done by many kind of organizat

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Pietro Terna
    http://phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1985     Best, Pietro (Italian silent friend) Il 21/11/17 13:38, Eric Smith ha scritto: Piece in NPR that somebody else forwarded to me: https://www.npr.org/2017/11/14/563879136/house-gop-tax-plan-would-hit-grad-students-with-massive-tax-hik

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Eric Smith
Nice data to have, Glen, thank you. E > On Nov 21, 2017, at 11:02 AM, ┣glen┫ wrote: > > I don't know. I *wish* that were the case, that the (mostly) lawyers we > elect to argue about stuff we don't want to argue about, were crafty enough > to plant poison pills. Was it Napoleon who said: "N

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Nick, Yes, I imagine this explanation probably wins on entropic grounds (which is maybe nothing other than a restatement of what you said): there are more detailed ways the random stupidity and arrogance explanation can be right, than most alternatives. I wonder if they believe they are st

Re: [FRIAM] Downward Hicausation

2017-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Frank, Sorry I let this slip by the first time. I have never understood how one can square the counterfactual definition of causality Hume … concluded with a statement that A causes B if B would not have occurred unless A had occurred. With the Pragamatic Maxim Co

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Eric, There is deep comfort in any conspiracy theory – the solace that somebody, ANYBODY, even the Devil, is in charge! Alas, as my friend Charles Peirce is wont to point out, most events are random.So, this white mote that you point to in the black milk of our time, is probably ran

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread ┣glen┫
I don't know. I *wish* that were the case, that the (mostly) lawyers we elect to argue about stuff we don't want to argue about, were crafty enough to plant poison pills. Was it Napoleon who said: "Never ascribe malice where incompetence will suffice."? We could modify that slightly to: Never

[FRIAM] Fwd: Grad Students Would Be Hit By Massive Tax Hike Under House GOP Plan : NPR

2017-11-21 Thread Eric Smith
Piece in NPR that somebody else forwarded to me: > https://www.npr.org/2017/11/14/563879136/house-gop-tax-plan-would-hit-grad-students-with-massive-tax-hike > > I have to wonder, contra my