Ummm, not quite. You could argue that some portion of science is
concerned with obtaining true answers to some questions asked, and there
might be explicit or implicit deception involved there. But another
large chunk is concerned with finding better questions to ask. If I
find, for exam
Dear Eric and Nikita n all,
You join Robert in the desperate, altruistic attempt to save me from the clear
meaning of my own words. There are two reasons to stop doing lame social
psychology studies and take up writing novels: (1) is the reason you give, and
which I endorsed in the sec group:
Hi Tori,
Guess I am up to no good again.
Misdirection . like a female chimpanzee trying to gain some fool's hard won
high hanging fruit with a wink and a Nod.???
Believe it or not even a simpleton like me has learned to do the same thing.
A little bit like the old trick for catching Bull
Again, Robert, this would be a weaker (and perhaps saner) version of the thesis
I am offering. Thanks, again, for your heroic attempts to rescue me.
However, what I have in mind at the moment is a stronger thesis. It goes
something like this. Every attempt at objective scientific observ
Artists who don't lie to themselves usually end up looking for a day
job too.
Carl
On 10/18/10 5:15 PM, Victoria Hughes wrote:
How about the word "misdirection"?
Lies we tell ourselves are different that the sleight of hand we offer
others, with a wink and a nudge, to say things without bein
I took it to mean that:
a) scientific knowledge is the only authentic knowledge,
b) _if_ there is is knowledge in fiction, then it is scientific
knowledge (by definition), and most importantly,
c) if we fail to devise any falsifiable hypotheses from fiction, then
we've demonstrated there is no kn
I think that Jochen is right to look at what is being produced. It's a
fairly commonplace observation by now that living organisms reduce entropy
locally. Someone who is fairly well know wrote as part of a fairly large
book (and I can't remember either the author or the book; it's perhaps 5
years
How about the word "misdirection"?
Lies we tell ourselves are different that the sleight of hand we offer
others, with a wink and a nudge, to say things without being held
accountable.
Art usually (not always) falls into the latter category. Artists who
lie to themselves usually get a day jo
So: a thought- is not death the end point across the board? No system
is infinite. No motion perpetual.
( Isn't that a primary reason for the solipsism we fall into so
easily, a knee-jerk attempt to compensate? While altruism can provide
more sustainable and long-lasting systems over the lo
Peter and Steve
I have heard Peter's quote before ( I suspect Picasso was not the first,
just the most prominent ) and other slightly different extensions,
"Assemble a man's lies and then you will learn what he values"
"First deceive yourself then you can deceive others"
"We comfort with
Ecology has no Contracts , no Enforcers and no Guilt nor Punishment.
All are rewarded with death. Every problem is solved with death. The players
or actors treat each other as threats or opportunities. There is no shared
consciousness. All actions are driven by Fear, or Hunger.
Ecology is a theft
Prof David West wrote circa 10-10-14 03:06 PM:
> Another dimension -- various watchdog groups report on the veracity
> of the attack ads, and these get reported on the news occasionally.
> It would also be interesting to see if this kind of "objective
> reporting" influences the degree to which pe
Perhaps what I am hearing you say Nick is that by writing fiction (and
studying it) we can uncover something meaningful about the author's
mental makeup. Just as some therapies, I am told, recommend keeping
journals for later examination.
By studying readers' reactions to the same writing, I
Midrange tops!
Nick
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Ni
Tory is right, ecologic systems and especially
their inhabitants, the living organisms, look
more complex than companies or corporations.
What I meant was that there seem to be a
fundamental difference in the input-output
relations.
The output of agents in economic systems is
a product made from
Good one, it is possible to have an enormous salad for under $10.
Good homemade pies and other desserts.
Scott
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Paul Paryski wrote:
> Vinaigrette on Paseo de Peralta, if one likes great salads and soups, is
> great place for lunch or a light dinner. Around $15
On Oct 18, 2010, at 6:54 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
> Nick,
> I hope you are not arguing that cutting edge sci-fi writers should get
> endowed chairs in physics on the basis of their scientific accomplishments!
Actually, I think it is only *bad* fiction writers that get the endowed chairs.
;D
Vinaigrette on Paseo de Peralta, if one likes great salads and soups, is great
place for lunch or a light dinner. Around $15-20/person. More California than
Santa Fe.
Paul
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Sent: Mon, Oc
Merle,
This being Santa Fe, there's about a 20% surcharge for the mere privilege of
eating here.
Figure on a dinner for 1 costing anywhere between $25 - $50, depending on
whether you have 1 glass of wine with the meal and of course what you
order.
La Boca, Il Piatto, Pranzo and Andiamo would be
Nick,
What's their price range?
Merle
Nicholas Thompson wrote:
Hi, everybody. Sorry for this intrusion.
I just got an urgent email from friends saying that they are in Santa Fe for
a few days and want recommendations for good local restaurants. I am a bad
person to ask because I hate a
Robert,
Thanks for offering me that escape route, but I cannot take it, because I
probably believe the IF-conditions. You are right to sense that I need
rescuing, because if I am abandoned by Eric, I am truly abandoned.
I have to admit that what I laid out (below) are probably VALUES.
Thanks Eric, this is quite helpful in the specifics and also on the
'philosophy-of' level.
I'll look into these references.
Your phrase
more interested in the flexibility afforded by innovation than in
the constraints that limit the landscape.
elegantly sums up that basic human tendency that's
It's hypothetical reasoning. Re-read the IF statements.
Robert C
On 10/18/10 7:54 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES wrote:
Nick,
This is bizarre! "Fiction is a potential method in scientific
psychology." I cannot, for the life of me parse it. Is it equivalent
to saying: "Fiction is a potential method in
Nick,
This is bizarre! "Fiction is a potential method in scientific psychology." I
cannot, for the life of me parse it. Is it equivalent to saying: "Fiction is a
potential method in scientific physics."? Granted that science fiction has
broadly anticipated many things
that are now part of scientif
Tory, wonderful post, and as far as I can understand, spot-on in all
respects,
A few things to add to Jochen's comments, as sources for thought:
The acts that organisms take, merely in the course of living from one
day to the next, tend to be under-emphasized in relation to the acts
of rep
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