Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units (Simon Vandekar)

2016-01-22 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Andreas I just took a look at the code and it seems you are correct! Thanks for catching this. I'll change the code base now and the fix will be in v6. Bruce On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, Andreas Schuh wrote: > Hi, > > I studied the FreeSurfer code for MRISinflateBrain and came across a > discrepa

Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units (Simon Vandekar)

2016-01-22 Thread Andreas Schuh
Hi, I studied the FreeSurfer code for MRISinflateBrain and came across a discrepancy in how the sulcal depth is computed. This explains why the values are much smaller than expected. My question @Bruce is if this is intentional or (as the function names below indicate) possibly a bug in the ea

Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units (Simon Vandekar)

2015-10-26 Thread Simon Vandekar
Hi Bruce, The units are not standardized because the standard deviation across the surface does not equal 1. >From line 227 in mris_inflate.c it says that the sulc file is demeaned before >it is written out: MRISzeroMeanCurvature(mris) ; /* make sulc zero mean */ However I am still uncle

Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units

2015-10-24 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Simon I just took a look at the code and I believe that we make it 0 median (not mean) and unit standard deviation. The curvatures can get quite large in regions where the vertex spacing is small and the median is robust to this. cheers Bruce On Sat, 24 Oct 2015, Simon Vandekar wrote: >

Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units

2015-10-24 Thread Simon Vandekar
Hi Bruce, I think that unnormalized sulcal depth would be useful. However, I am also curious what the units are in the standard output, because they appear to not be z-score standardized in each hemisphere. Thanks again, Simon >H I Simon >Do you need the unnormalized sulc? It would be pretty

Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units

2015-10-22 Thread Bruce Fischl
H I Simon Do you need the unnormalized sulc? It would be pretty easy to put something in to generate it Bruce > On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Simon Vandekar wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > > I chose a random subject from the ADNI dataset and computed the mean and > variance for the left and right hemis

Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Vandekar
Hi Bruce, I chose a random subject from the ADNI dataset and computed the mean and variance for the left and right hemispheres separately. It looks like the mean is close to 0, however the variance is not 1. Do you think it is possible that the surfaces are demeaned, but the units are still som

Re: [Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units

2015-10-22 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Simon they are originally mm, but I believe we z-score normalize them so that the sulc file is 0 mean and unit variance. cheers Bruce On Wed, 21 Oct 2015, Simon Vandekar wrote: > Dear Freesurfer experts, > > I am reading the manuscript "Cortical Surface-Based Analysis II: Inflation, > Flat

[Freesurfer] Sulcal depth units

2015-10-21 Thread Simon Vandekar
Dear Freesurfer experts, I am reading the manuscript "Cortical Surface-Based Analysis II: Inflation, Flattening, and a Surface-Based Coordinate System" by Fischl, Sereno, and Dale (1999) where the estimation of sulcal depth is described on page 199, however from the description I am still unsur