Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-04 Thread Joshua Lee
Dear FreeSurfur Gurus, It appears that the using -use-mritotal worked to get past the talairach error. Thank you for all your help. We really appreciate it. Joshua On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Bruce Fischl wrote: > Hi Michael > > we found that the conversion to unsigned character sometim

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Michael we found that the conversion to unsigned character sometimes compressed the brain into only a couple of bits of the dynamic range. We know use the talairach xform to locate the center of the brain and make sure that a ball centered at the tal origin occupies a lot of the histogram.

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Michael Waskom
Hi, What was the reason for this switch? Intuitively it seems that a bias-corrected image is likely to get a better registration (since I assume the target has essentially uniform intensities). Michael On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Nick Schmansky wrote: > no, v5.0 uses nu.mgz as input to the

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Nick Schmansky
it should not change the quality of the subcortical or cortical streams at all. the talairach.xfm is used for reporting purposes in the gui tools, and for group averaging (in some instances, qdec not being one of them). so i would not worry about introducing a bias. if you are concerned about a

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Joshua Lee
OK, now I understand better. One further question: Would the use of MRI-total degrade quality of the Freesurfer segmentations substantively, and would using it only on a portion of my data introduce a systematic bias to the data set? Josh On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Nick Schmansky wrote: >

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Nick Schmansky
no, v5.0 uses nu.mgz as input to the talairach_avi routine, whereas v5.1 uses orig.mgz. its hard to say why it would fail for some subjects but not others, other than head positioning and to some degree ventricle size makes a difference. n. On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 16:10 -0400, Joshua Lee wrote: >

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Joshua Lee
Thanks Nick, Is use-mritotal equivalent to what version 5.0 does by default? Also, any suggestions on why this talairach error would occur only on a portion of my data, despite all being collected with the same imaging protocol, same conversions from dicom, etc? - Joshua Lee Graduate Student Cen

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Nick Schmansky
joshua, try adding -use-mritotal to the end of your recon-all command. it will use an alternate way to compute the talairach.xfm which works better on some data. the change from v5.0 to v5.1 in the talairach stage was that in v5.1, the talairach.xfm is needed to compute nu.mgz, so the talairach

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-02 Thread Bruce Fischl
can you send us an example that works in 5.0 and fails in 5.1? thanks Bruce On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Joshua Lee wrote: Small Update: Error Disappears if Using Freesurfer version 5.0 instead of 5.1. However, since I am keenly interested in the hippocampal-subfield segmentation capabilities of the m

Re: [Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-01 Thread Joshua Lee
Small Update: Error Disappears if Using Freesurfer version 5.0 instead of 5.1. However, since I am keenly interested in the hippocampal-subfield segmentation capabilities of the most recent version, I am loathe to regress to an earlier version of FreeSurfer - Joshua Lee Graduate Student Center for

[Freesurfer] Error During Talairach Transform

2011-11-01 Thread Joshua Lee
#@# Talairach Failure Detection Wed Nov 2 02:03:32 EDT 2011 /home/virtualuser/freesurfer/subjects/test005/mri talairach_afd -T 0.005 -xfm transforms/talairach.xfm I am receiving the error (pasted below) on about half of my scans, despite all cans using same protocol. I detect no obvious issue w