Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-02-07 Thread Blair Campbell
They're the same as in linux, except not widely supported. All applications built with DJGPP 2.04+ support them. On 1/30/07, Alain M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Blair Campbell escreveu: > >> What about Blair's RTL? and it also has LFN... > > And symlinks :-) > > What are symlinks in DOS? I

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-30 Thread Alain M.
Blair Campbell escreveu: >> What about Blair's RTL? and it also has LFN... > And symlinks :-) What are symlinks in DOS? I know of them in Linux, and as part of the OS not the RTL... Alain - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influ

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-30 Thread Blair Campbell
On 1/19/07, Alain M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: > > For applications, RTL usually is inherent part, so comparing RTLs > > (which also compiled by compilers) together _is_ relevant. On the other > > side, given examples make bias point - you may now enough to b

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Alain M.
Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: > For applications, RTL usually is inherent part, so comparing RTLs > (which also compiled by compilers) together _is_ relevant. On the other > side, given examples make bias point - you may now enough to bias executable > size and compare resulting sizes, not ins

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Japheth
> > How much? MS VC is 6% "better" than OW, both optimizing for size. OW is not bad, especially if comparing MSVC with TC, where MSVC is 25% "better". - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceF

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 19-Янв-2007 15:09 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Japheth) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: >> May you show examples? Starting from minimal "void main(){}", then with >> printf("Hello, world!\n"), then something more complex? With OW 1.6: J> a "dummy" main and a "hello world" main are utt

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Arkady, [PS: I am still looking for people who can help with reviewing my 2035c versus 2036 diff report, thanks!] >> type test1.c > void main () {} >> wcl test1.c >> wcc TEST1.C >> wlink @__wcl__.lnk >> type test2.c > #include > void main () { printf ("Hello, world!\n"); } ... > TEST1EXE

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread tom ehlert
Hello Japheth, >> May you show examples? Starting from minimal "void main(){}", then with >> printf("Hello, world!\n"), then something more complex? With OW 1.6: > a "dummy" main and a "hello world" main are utterly irrelevant if you want to > compare size/speed optimisations (leaving CRT as

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Japheth
> > May you show examples? Starting from minimal "void main(){}", then with > printf("Hello, world!\n"), then something more complex? With OW 1.6: a "dummy" main and a "hello world" main are utterly irrelevant if you want to compare size/speed optimisations (leaving CRT aside). A "complex"

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-19 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 18-Янв-2007 11:31 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Japheth) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: >> Better than watcom? How much better and in which areas? J> In Open Watcom just the 32bit C(++) compiler and WD are pretty good. The rest J> is of "mixed" quality. J> With optimisation on MSVC CL

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-18 Thread Japheth
> Better than watcom? How much better and in which areas? In Open Watcom just the 32bit C(++) compiler and WD are pretty good. The rest is of "mixed" quality. With optimisation on MSVC CL.EXE beats OW WCC.EXE significantly both in speed and binary size (not counting the CRT part). One re

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-18 Thread gmjimen
Norbert Remmel wrote: > is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler > which can be run under plain DOS? May be you can use DJGPP: http://www.delorie.com/ Guillermo "Ñuño" Martínez - Take Surveys

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-18 Thread Robert Riebisch
"Arkady V.Belousov" wrote: > Better than watcom? How much better and in which areas? MS Visual C++ 1.5x can successfully compile 4DOS sources. ;-) A note from http://www.4dos.hit.bg/: '"Porting" to another compiler will be hard to do as the _TEXT segment is almost full and all the other com

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-18 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 17-Янв-2007 17:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Japheth) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: J> I own MS VC 1.5 which runs in DOS with the Phar Lab TNT DOS Extender. J> IMO it is the best 16-bit C(++) optimising compiler :) Better than watcom? How much better and in which areas? ---

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread tomleem
Norbert Remmel wrote: > Hi, > > is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler > which can be run under plain DOS? > > Regards > > Norbert. > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Blair Campbell
DeSmet C is actually quite different than any of the other DOS compilers available. I would not recommend it if you are trying to compile existing source code, becuase its standard library lacks many of the extensions that DOS programmers (and even POSIX programmers) take for granted, like open().

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Japheth
I own MS VC 1.5 which runs in DOS with the Phar Lab TNT DOS Extender. IMO it is the best 16-bit C(++) optimising compiler :) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and yo

Re: [Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Stegozor
Norbert Remmel wrote: > is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler > which can be run under plain DOS? If no one has an early Microsoft C compiler maybe http://www.desmet-c.com/ could help in some way. Good luck. -

[Freedos-user] Microsoft C/C++

2007-01-17 Thread Norbert Remmel
Hi, is there anyone out there who still owns an early Microsoft C compiler which can be run under plain DOS? Regards Norbert. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and y