Re: Panic at shutdown (acpi related)

2013-03-01 Thread Ronald Klop
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 13:04:52 +0100, David Demelier wrote: Le mardi 12 février 2013 21:42:01 Ronald Klop a écrit : On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:44:49 +0100, David Demelier wrote: > Le mardi 12 février 2013 10:01:10 Andriy Gapon a écrit : >> on 12/02/2013 09:57 David Demelier said the following: >

Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Karl Denninger
Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup strategies. ZFS' snapshot capabilities have forced me to re-think the way that I've handled this. Previously near-line (and offline) backup was focused on being able to handle both disasters (e.g. RAID adapter goes nuts and sc

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Ronald Klop
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:24:53 +0100, Karl Denninger wrote: Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup strategies. ZFS' snapshot capabilities have forced me to re-think the way that I've handled this. Previously near-line (and offline) backup was focused on being a

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Royce Williams
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Ronald Klop wrote: > On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:24:53 +0100, Karl Denninger > wrote: > >> Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup >> strategies. >> >> ZFS' snapshot capabilities have forced me to re-think the way that I've >> handled this

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread dweimer
On 03/01/2013 8:24 am, Karl Denninger wrote: Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup strategies. ZFS' snapshot capabilities have forced me to re-think the way that I've handled this. Previously near-line (and offline) backup was focused on being able to handle

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Karl Denninger
On 3/1/2013 9:36 AM, dweimer wrote: > On 03/01/2013 8:24 am, Karl Denninger wrote: >> Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup >> strategies. >> >> ZFS' snapshot capabilities have forced me to re-think the way that I've >> handled this. Previously near-line (and offl

New 9.x install won't autoboot

2013-03-01 Thread Guy Helmer
I have an odd situation: I just installed a FreeBSD 9.1 system yesterday, and it always stops that the "Press [Enter] to boot" prompt without doing the 10-second countdown. Prior to disabling the beastie menu, it would sit at the menu and wait for Enter. /boot/loader.conf: geom_mirror_load="YE

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread dweimer
On 03/01/2013 9:45 am, Karl Denninger wrote: I briefly did something like this between two FreeNAS boxes, it seemed to work well, but my secondary Box wasn't quite up to par hardware. Combine that with the lack of necessary internet bandwidth with a second physical location in case of somethin

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Karl Denninger
On 3/1/2013 10:08 AM, dweimer wrote: > On 03/01/2013 9:45 am, Karl Denninger wrote: >>> >>> I briefly did something like this between two FreeNAS boxes, it seemed >>> to work well, but my secondary Box wasn't quite up to par hardware. >>> Combine that with the lack of necessary internet bandwidth

Re: svn commit: r247485 - in stable/9: crypto/openssh crypto/openssh/openbsd-compat secure/lib/libssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd

2013-03-01 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 2/28/2013 1:43 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Author: des > Date: Thu Feb 28 18:43:50 2013 > New Revision: 247485 > URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/247485 > > Log: > Pull in OpenSSH 6.1 from head. Hi, I updated a box to RELENG_9 with this change, and I can no longer s

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Ben Morrow
Quoth Karl Denninger : > Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup > strategies. [...] > > Take a base snapshot immediately and zfs send it to offline storage. > Take an incremental at some interval (appropriate for disaster recovery) > and zfs send THAT to stable stor

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Ben Morrow wrote: Quoth Karl Denninger : Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup strategies. [...] Take a base snapshot immediately and zfs send it to offline storage. Take an incremental at some interval (appropriate for disaster recovery)

Re: svn commit: r247485 - in stable/9: crypto/openssh crypto/openssh/openbsd-compat secure/lib/libssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd

2013-03-01 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 3/1/2013 11:35 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 2/28/2013 1:43 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> Author: des >> Date: Thu Feb 28 18:43:50 2013 >> New Revision: 247485 >> URL: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/247485 >> >> Log: >> Pull in OpenSSH 6.1 from head. > > Hi, > I updated a bo

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
01.03.2013 16:24, Karl Denninger: Dabbling with ZFS now, and giving some thought to how to handle backup strategies. ZFS' snapshot capabilities have forced me to re-think the way that I've handled this. Previously near-line (and offline) backup was focused on being able to handle both disasters

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Ben Morrow
Quoth Daniel Eischen : > > Yes, we still use a couple of DLT autoloaders and have nightly > incrementals and weekly fulls. This is the problem I have with > converting to ZFS. Our typical recovery is when a user says > they need a directory or set of files from a week or two ago. > Using dump fr

Re: Building RELENG_9 (or RELENG_9_*) on a small machine?

2013-03-01 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:30:20 -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > On 2013-02-27 18:23, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > Hm, have you disabled that CAM target layer stuff at boot? It's likely > > tying up some RAM. > > Disabling CTL let cc1plus get is resident size up to 167 MB, but that still > wasn't enou

Re: Building RELENG_9 (or RELENG_9_*) on a small machine?

2013-03-01 Thread Darren Pilgrim
On 2013-03-01 10:50, Ian Smith wrote: At 256MB - the minimum earlier that completed installation without disabling CTL - swap often sat at ~14MB but blew out to around 165MB building those huge llvm libraries - cc1plus 332M, 173M resident was one top I snipped, but I can't say I caught the bigges

Re: svn commit: r247485 - in stable/9: crypto/openssh crypto/openssh/openbsd-compat secure/lib/libssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd

2013-03-01 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Mike Tancsa writes: > OK, so it looks like something to do with hardware crypto. If I unload > aesni.ko and restart sshd, it works, even with aes128-cbc which I guess > it was trying to use cryptodev Are you sure this was due to the OpenSSH update, and not the OpenSSL update a few days ago? Can

Re: svn commit: r247485 - in stable/9: crypto/openssh crypto/openssh/openbsd-compat secure/lib/libssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd

2013-03-01 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 3/1/2013 2:44 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Mike Tancsa writes: >> OK, so it looks like something to do with hardware crypto. If I unload >> aesni.ko and restart sshd, it works, even with aes128-cbc which I guess >> it was trying to use cryptodev > > Are you sure this was due to the OpenSSH

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread dweimer
On 03/01/2013 1:25 pm, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 09:45:32AM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: I rotate the disaster disks out to a safe-deposit box at the bank, and they're geli-encrypted, so if stolen they're worthless to the thief (other than their cash value as a drive) and

Re: svn commit: r247485 - in stable/9: crypto/openssh crypto/openssh/openbsd-compat secure/lib/libssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd

2013-03-01 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Mike Tancsa writes: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: > > Are you sure this was due to the OpenSSH update, and not the OpenSSL > > update a few days ago? Can you try to roll back to r247484? > I didnt think openssl got updated on RELENG_9 ? Ah, you're right. There is an OpenSSL commit immediately

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Ben Morrow wrote: Quoth Daniel Eischen : Yes, we still use a couple of DLT autoloaders and have nightly incrementals and weekly fulls. This is the problem I have with converting to ZFS. Our typical recovery is when a user says they need a directory or set of files from a

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Karl Denninger
On 3/1/2013 2:34 PM, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Ben Morrow wrote: > >> Quoth Daniel Eischen : >>> >>> Yes, we still use a couple of DLT autoloaders and have nightly >>> incrementals and weekly fulls. This is the problem I have with >>> converting to ZFS. Our typical recovery is

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 12:23:31PM -0500, Daniel Eischen wrote: Yes, we still use a couple of DLT autoloaders and have nightly incrementals and weekly fulls. This is the problem I have with converting to ZFS. Our typical recovery is when a user says

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Karl Denninger
On 3/1/2013 1:25 PM, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 09:45:32AM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: >> I rotate the disaster disks out to a safe-deposit box at the bank, and >> they're geli-encrypted, so if stolen they're worthless to the thief >> (other than their cash value as a drive

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread David Magda
On Mar 1, 2013, at 12:23, Daniel Eischen wrote: > dump (and ufsdump for our Solaris boxes) _just work_, and we > can go back many many years and they will still work. If we > convert to ZFS, I'm guessing we'll have to do nightly > incrementals with 'tar' instead of 'dump' as well as doing > ZFS s

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread David Magda
On Mar 1, 2013, at 15:39, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > >> What about extended attributes? ACLs? Are those saved by tar? > > I think tar (as root or -p) will attempt to preserve those. Specifically bsdtar (with libarchive) and star: https://github.com/l

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread David Magda
On Mar 1, 2013, at 12:55, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > Yes, I'm working with backups the same way, I wrote a simple script that > synchronizes two filesystems between distant servers. I also use the same > script to synchronize bushy filesystems (with hundred thousands of files) > where rsync p

Re: Musings on ZFS Backup strategies

2013-03-01 Thread Ben Morrow
Quoth David Magda : > On Mar 1, 2013, at 15:39, Daniel Eischen wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > > > >> What about extended attributes? ACLs? Are those saved by tar? > > > > I think tar (as root or -p) will attempt to preserve those. > > Specifically bsdtar (with libarchiv

Re: svn commit: r247485 - in stable/9: crypto/openssh crypto/openssh/openbsd-compat secure/lib/libssh secure/usr.sbin/sshd

2013-03-01 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 3/1/2013 3:34 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Mike Tancsa writes: >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: >>> Are you sure this was due to the OpenSSH update, and not the OpenSSL >>> update a few days ago? Can you try to roll back to r247484? >> I didnt think openssl got updated on RELENG_9 ? > > Ah