Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix > warrants the impact of the ABI break

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ronald Klop
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:47:34 +0200, David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be implemented without ABI

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Max Laier
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:47:34 David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: ... > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > implications and how to deal with them.

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 02:47:34AM -0700, David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without ABI breaka

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Vlad GALU
On 7/30/08, David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without ABI breakage, and

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 11:47:34 schrieb David Southwell: > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > implications and how to deal with them. ABI (Application Binary Interface) is a term used t

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 03:11:54 Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 11:47:34 schrieb David Southwell: > > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > > implications and how to deal

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:11:31 schrieb David Southwell: > i.e. Circumstances and what commands to apply in those circumstances? If you don't know what to do, don't run -STABLE? -- Heiko Wundram ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://li

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ronald Klop
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:02:52 +0200, Heiko Wundram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:11:31 schrieb David Southwell: i.e. Circumstances and what commands to apply in those circumstances? If you don't know what to do, don't run -STABLE? I think in this case (the ABI b

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > this." > The edge case of what can go wrong is so small, that you must be doing > quite speci

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 01:26:33PM +0200, Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > > this." > > The edge ca

BTX halted on boot

2008-07-30 Thread Dominik Meister
Hi We are experiencing a problem with one of our FreBSD 6.2 machines. The machine has been running fine for months until we had to reboot it. Now it doesn't boot anymore. After the boot loader we get what looks like a register dump: FreeBSD/i386 boot Default: 0:ad(0,a)heap boot: /boot/kernel/kern

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 04:26:33 Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > > this." > > The edge case of w

Re: BTX halted on boot

2008-07-30 Thread Dominik Meister
Dominik Meister [Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 03:20:32PM +0200]: > Hi Sorry, wrong mailing list, will re-post it to freebsd-questions. Sorry, Dominik -- Dominik Meister My public GnuPG key is available at http://www.meisternet.ch/gpg.txt pgpYJrmAuAM4z.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > David Southwell wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > > > Some

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ian FREISLICH
David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > Sometimes information gets posted to this list on the assumption that >

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ken Smith
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:55 -0700, David Southwell wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > David Southwell wrote: > > > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > > > "Stable Branch

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ian FREISLICH
David Southwell wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > ABI breakage that Ken refers to here means that a change required > > to fix a bug cannot be made while maintaining binary compatibility > > with previous versions. Any program that makes use of (I'm guessing) > >

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ed Schouten
* Ian FREISLICH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ABI breakage that Ken refers to here means that a change required > to fix a bug cannot be made while maintaining binary compatibility > with previous versions. Any program that makes use of (I'm guessing) > fcntl(2) or flock(2) that runs on 7.0, will n

Re: BTX halted on boot

2008-07-30 Thread Doug Barton
Dominik Meister wrote: Hi We are experiencing a problem with one of our FreBSD 6.2 machines. The machine has been running fine for months until we had to reboot it. Now it doesn't boot anymore. After the boot loader we get what looks like a register dump: Assuming you simply rebooted the machi

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Doug Barton
David Southwell wrote: It sure helps the understanding bit but how about specific instructions about who is to what to do in this instance? I fear that the forest is getting lost for the trees here. :) Under most (90% or more) circumstances "stuff," be that kernel modules or userland binaries

Re: BTX halted on boot

2008-07-30 Thread Dominik Meister
Hi Doug Thanks a lot for your answer. Doug Barton [Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:33:51AM -0700]: > Assuming you simply rebooted the machine and did no other changes, > this is likely to be disk corruption (probably due to age). If the > symptoms persist, try taking this opportunity to install 6.3 (yo

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:30:31 schrieben Sie: > I do not use the fuse fs myself. But the issue was raised during the > internal discussion of the MFC, and it seems that fuse could be not > affected. > > The change only adds the field at the end of the vnode structure, so all > existing fields

buildworld failure

2008-07-30 Thread Jeff Dowsley
Greetings Installed 7 RC2 some time ago, and just tried a cvsup to 7_STABLE. Buildworld fails with mkmagic: Printf format, after hundreds of warnings - magic, 6: Warning offset invalid. I searched the archive, and see that someone else had this problem when upgrading to 6.3, but the