Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:41:04 +0200 (CEST) > Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> another work-around >> is to use the auto mounter daemon (amd(8)). It umounts >> file systems automatically that are not in use. >> Another nice feature of amd(8) is that you don't hav

ports/security/vpnc vs built-in IPSec?

2007-07-19 Thread Andrew Reilly
Hi there, I used ports/security/vpnc with some success some time ago, but then stopped because I didn't need it. Since then I've upgraded my -STABLE many times, and portupgrade has upgraded vpnc at least once, and now it doesn't seem to work anymore. I've been poking it quite vigerously, this aft

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Momchil Ivanov
On Thursday 19 July 2007 09:17:48 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > Norberto Meijome wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:41:04 +0200 (CEST) > > > > Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> another work-around > >> is to use the auto mounter daemon (amd(8)). It umounts > >> file systems automatically that

Re: Adding /dev/random and /dev/urandom to a jail.

2007-07-19 Thread Doug Barton
Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits wrote: > Yes but the random devices are not showing up there. Please don't post responses at the top of the message on FreeBSD lists, it's icky and unnatural. :) You might want to take a look at what /etc/rc.d/named does to handle this for the chroot, I think it

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Julius Huang
On Thu 19 Jul 2007, at 15:43, Momchil Ivanov wrote: On Thursday 19 July 2007 09:17:48 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: Norberto Meijome wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:41:04 +0200 (CEST) Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: another work-around is to use the auto mounter daemon (amd(8)). It umounts f

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Dennis Melentyev
Hi All! 2007/7/19, Momchil Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thursday 19 July 2007 09:17:48 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > Norberto Meijome wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:41:04 +0200 (CEST) > > > > Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> another work-around > >> is to use the auto mounter daemon (

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 18/07/2007 20:34 Mark Linimon said the following: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB device >> that has filesystems mounted. > > s/USB // > >> I also have a hard time believing that the reason it

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 19/07/2007 13:03 Daniel O'Connor said the following: > Andriy Gapon wrote: >> Well, here's my two kopiykas. >> Apparently there is somebody who tried to fix this problem, but for some >> reason (most probably language barrier) his attempt is largely unnoticed >> so far. >> >> Here is a link to a

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Andriy Gapon wrote: Well, barriers usually stop something :-) Heh :) There are some comments in Russian, maybe someone will find time to translate, maybe even me... It could come in handy. FreeBSD VFS comitters are rare, ones that understand Russian are probably almost non-existent :) T

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Andriy Gapon wrote: on 18/07/2007 20:34 Mark Linimon said the following: On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB device that has filesystems mounted. s/USB // I also have a hard time believing that the re

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:49:22 +0930 "Daniel O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andriy Gapon wrote: > > Well, barriers usually stop something :-) > > Heh :) > > > There are some comments in Russian, maybe someone will find time to > > translate, maybe even me... > > It could come in handy. >

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Jul-19 00:57:57 +0200, Momchil Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think you are missing the point here and it is that the drive is already >gone, so you do not have to care about it. I don't think anyone is missing this point. >The most natural way for me seems to be that the OS should

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Jul-19 08:58:27 +0200, "[LoN]Kamikaze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I remember on 5.3 I removed a mounted USB stick. The system did not panic, all >I had to do was to plug the stick back in to be able to unmount it. So the >behaviour has been more tolerant, in the past. Did you or the synce

Re: Adding /dev/random and /dev/urandom to a jail.

2007-07-19 Thread Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits
At 01:23 AM 7/19/2007, Doug Barton wrote: Tech Valley Internet - Tony Kivits wrote: > Yes but the random devices are not showing up there. Please don't post responses at the top of the message on FreeBSD lists, it's icky and unnatural. :) You might want to take a look at what /etc/rc.d/named do

Re: ports/security/vpnc vs built-in IPSec?

2007-07-19 Thread Vince
Andrew Reilly wrote: > Hi there, > > I used ports/security/vpnc with some success some time ago, but > then stopped because I didn't need it. Since then I've > upgraded my -STABLE many times, and portupgrade has upgraded > vpnc at least once, and now it doesn't seem to work anymore. > I've been

install activestate komodo in freebsd 6.2

2007-07-19 Thread vuthecuong
I'm very interesting in this article: http://www.kiffinsblog.com/archives...lling_komo.html I searched Googled but could not find linux libcpp5 tarball. Could anyone give me the link of it? Tnx The article is as below: Installing Komodo IDE 4.0 on FreeBSD ~ FreeBSD After struggling awhile with

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "[LoN]Kamikaze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Josh Paetzel wrote: : > On Wednesday 18 July 2007, Momchil Ivanov wrote: : >> Hi, : >> : >> I am running FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #11: Sat Jul 14 16:27:12 CEST 2007 : >> and accidently unplugged the USB hub to which

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Baldur Gislason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : I vaguely remember being able to yank out USB drives in 5.x and just make : usbd execute a forced umount without any problems. FAT32 drives mind you. : On 6.2 I haven't even been able to unplug a USB drive eve

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : If someone wants to work on this and needs devices/toys (thumb drives, : external enclosures + hard disks), let me know, I will be more than : happy to buy them the hardware needed. Willing to fund the work o

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Momchil Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Wednesday 18 July 2007 19:34:06 Mark Linimon wrote: : > On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 10:05:59AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: : > > Bottom line here is that the kernel panics when removing a USB device : > > that

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : This would alleviate concerns over data loss, would it not? No. The problem is more basic: the device *driver* is gone. All the code unwinding has happened. The physical device is also gone, which is what

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 08:48:21AM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : If someone wants to work on this and needs devices/toys (thumb drives, > : external enclosures + hard disks), let me know, I will be more t

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "[LoN]Kamikaze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Oliver Fromme wrote: : > Momchil Ivanov wrote: : > > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:52:42 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: : > > > Josh Paetzel wrote: : > > > > Yes, it's expected behavior. The workaround is to not unpl

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Norberto Meijome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : re. USB disks, could we not by default use amd to mount USB devices? It seems : the obvious native replacement for hald + polkitd + dbus I use in XFCE with : Thunar on my laptop... Won't work. Once the devi

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Momchil Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : What is then the reason for the kernel not being able to unmount a : filesystem whose provider is no longer present? The problem is that the device driver has wound down, deallocated memory, etc. Now the kern

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Nikola Lecic wrote: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opennet.ru%2Fopenforum%2FvsluhforumID9%2F6467.html&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8 Useful? Seems comprehensible enough (maybe a wrong impression since I understand Russian text). I'm not a VFS guru, alas :) ___

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Baldur Gislason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : I vaguely remember being able to yank out USB drives in 5.x and just make > : usbd execute a forced umount without any problems. FAT32 drives mind you. > : On 6.2 I haven't even bee

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Thursday 19 July 2007, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : If someone wants to work on this and needs devices/toys (thumb > : drives, external enclosures + hard disks), let me know, I will be > : more than happy

ntpd just sits there and does nothing

2007-07-19 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
As the subject says, on my 6-stable systems ntpd just sits there and does nothing. The logs only mention when the daemon gets started or shut down. It complains when servers are not reachable, but does nothing when they are available. The drift file always contains 0.00. ntpdate and openntpd bot

Re: ntpd just sits there and does nothing

2007-07-19 Thread David Wolfskill
On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 07:08:21PM +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > As the subject says, on my 6-stable systems ntpd just sits there and does > nothing > > It seems what ntpd has in complexity it lacks in robustness. I'd prefer to > have > openntpd in the base system. It seems to be very simple.

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "[LoN]Kamikaze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : Oliver Fromme wrote: > : > Momchil Ivanov wrote: > : > > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:52:42 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > : > > > Josh Paetzel wrote: > : > >

Re: ntpd just sits there and does nothing

2007-07-19 Thread Doug Hardie
On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:08, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: As the subject says, on my 6-stable systems ntpd just sits there and does nothing. The logs only mention when the daemon gets started or shut down. It complains when servers are not reachable, but does nothing when they are available. The d

Re: ntpd just sits there and does nothing

2007-07-19 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
Doug Hardie wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:08, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > >> As the subject says, on my 6-stable systems ntpd just sits there and does >> nothing. The logs only mention when the daemon gets started or shut >> down. It >> complains when servers are not reachable, but does nothing wh

Re: ntpd just sits there and does nothing

2007-07-19 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky
* Doug Hardie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-19 10:32 -0700]: > Are you on a static IP address? If not, ntpd obtains its IP address when it > starts up and uses it forever. If your IP address changes then it will not > be able to communicate with the upstream ntp servers. It has to be > res

Re: ntpd just sits there and does nothing

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Jul-19 19:08:21 +0200, "[LoN]Kamikaze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >As the subject says, on my 6-stable systems ntpd just sits there and does >nothing. The logs only mention when the daemon gets started or shut down. It >complains when servers are not reachable, but does nothing when they ar

Re: FreeBSD violates RFC2870 [was: Re: Problems with named default configuration in 6-STABLE]

2007-07-19 Thread Kevin Oberman
> From: Mark Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:54:00 +1000 > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 12:47:50PM +0200, Volker wrote: > > > As I think having a default to hint root zone is better, I'll file a > > > PR about that. > > > > Which leads me to a

Firefox crashing after portupgrade 13 July

2007-07-19 Thread Bruce Burden
Hi folks, Problem: Firefox segmentation faults when using link encryption. This happens on AMD64 and i386 versions (Opteron and P4 processors) as well as Firefox 1.5, 2.0.0.3 and 2.0.0.4. When SSL or TLS is involved, I get a seg fault. This is seen whether the web site

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 08:48:21AM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : > Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : > : If someone wants to work on this and needs

Re: removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

2007-07-19 Thread Christian Walther
On 19/07/07, M. Warner Losh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] The best one can do without massive buffer cache work is what firewire does: it has one attachment to handle all umass devices. When the device goes away, it pauses all operations to that device. If the device comes back, it resumes

Re: Firefox crashing after portupgrade 13 July

2007-07-19 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:27:25 -0500 Bruce Burden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Problem: Firefox segmentation faults when using link encryption. This > happens on AMD64 and i386 versions (Opteron and P4 processors) > as well as Firefox 1.5, 2.0.0.3 and 2.0.0.4 Hi Bruce, that's strange, ffox