Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-25 Thread Pete French
> You might be better off running ntpd on the firewall and having > the inside hosts sync to it. That would be nice - except my problem is that the firewal is the only one on which ntp *doest* run! :-) Thanks for all the other suggestions - will take a look a them later today and see if I can tra

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-25 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Jul-25 10:30:25 +1000, Andrew Reilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 05:24:25AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> On 2007-Jul-24 16:00:08 +0100, Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes it does. The major difference is that ntpd will use a source >> port of 123 whilst

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-25 Thread Oliver Fromme
Andrew Reilly wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > The major difference is that ntpd will use a source port > > of 123 whilst ntpdate will use a dynamic source port. > > Is that behaviour that can be defeated? If it uses a fixed > source port, then multiple ntpd clients behind a nat firewall >

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-25 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Andrew Reilly wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 05:24:25AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> On 2007-Jul-24 16:00:08 +0100, Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes it does. The major difference is that ntpd will use a source >> port of 123 whilst n

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-24 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 05:24:25AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2007-Jul-24 16:00:08 +0100, Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes it does. The major difference is that ntpd will use a source > port of 123 whilst ntpdate will use a dynamic source port. Is that behaviour that can be defea

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-24 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Jul-24 16:00:08 +0100, Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >at least I cannot see anything wrong). I would assume that ntpdate >also uses UDP - and using that I can see all these servers ? Yes it does. The major difference is that ntpd will use a source port of 123 whilst ntpdate will

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-24 Thread Patrick M. Hausen
Hi, all! On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 04:00:08PM +0100, Pete French wrote: > Yes, I discovered the UDPness of it last night and went > through the rules again. I am pretty sure they are correct (or > at least I cannot see anything wrong). I would assume that ntpdate > also uses UDP - and using that I

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-24 Thread Pete French
> Note that NTP does not use TCP, but UDP. Are you sure that > your filter rules are OK? It's certainly possible to have > a bug in the rule set so it forwards NTP replies for the > internal clients, but doesn't allow them to reach the ntpd > running on the machine itself. Yes, I discovered the

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-24 Thread Oliver Fromme
Pete French wrote: > [...] > Any suggestions ? I assume it has something to do with the NAT, but I am > not sure what. All other TCP connections out from that machine to > external systems work fine, so it is not as if outbound connections from > there are not working at all. Note that NTP do

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-24 Thread Pete French
> Well it could just as easily be the associated reboot, but one hesitates to > suggest that on a *nix list :) Well, I updated to this mornings -STABLE and I still get the same effect. Somewhat puzzled, and I not sure where to go from here - especially as making the queries with 'ntpdate' works f

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-24 Thread ian j hart
On Monday 23 July 2007 20:22:22 Pete French wrote: > > It's deja-vu all over again. > > > > I found my works NTP service was broken on Friday, just after I started > > my holiday. > > Interesting to hear from someone also using NAt with a very similar > problem. Thanks, I am running -STABLE rather

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-23 Thread Pete French
> It's deja-vu all over again. > > I found my works NTP service was broken on Friday, just after I started my > holiday. Interesting to hear from someone also using NAt with a very similar problem. Thanks, I am running -STABLE rather than RELENG, but I suspect I will simply try updating to a late

Re: ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-23 Thread ian j hart
On Monday 23 July 2007 13:50:09 Pete French wrote: > Just following the similarly names thread with a bit of interest and I > decided to check my own ntp setup and, to my surprise, discovered I also > have a machine which does nothing. What is more surprising to me is that it > has the same config

ntpd on a NAT gateway seems to do nothing

2007-07-23 Thread Pete French
Just following the similarly names thread with a bit of interest and I decided to check my own ntp setup and, to my surprise, discovered I also have a machine which does nothing. What is more surprising to me is that it has the same config as a number of other machines, all of which work. We have