Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-28 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
blubee blubeeme writes: > You seem to miss the point where the you avoid breaking the system for > any users not on the bleeding edge. You seem to miss the point where nobody is interested in anything you have to say any more. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-27 Thread Joe Maloney
Thanks for the drm-next efforts. I could not, and would not be using FreeBSD without it. Joe Maloney On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 5:58 AM Thomas Mueller wrote: > Excerpt from Oliver Pinter: > > > Let's do some more step backwards, and see how the graphics driver > > developments works from the corp

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-27 Thread Thomas Mueller
Excerpt from Oliver Pinter: > Let's do some more step backwards, and see how the graphics driver > developments works from the corporation side. > They not bother about any of the BSDs, they focus only to Windows and > Linux. If you want to use a recent (haha recent, something after 2014) you > a

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread Michelle Sullivan
blubee blubeeme wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:04 AM Mark Linimon wrote: On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 07:07:24AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: Are these guys insane and please avoid the nonsense about you're doing this in your spare time. Let us know how whatever OS you wind up using instead

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread Matthew Macy
Please just stop responding to this person or we're going to have to migrate to moderated lists. You're legitimizing the voice of one person who project members have spend hours of their time (some even in person) trying to explain the time tradeoffs of supporting graphics. For some reason he isn't

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread Larry Rosenman
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 06:21:57AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > You seem to miss the point where the you avoid breaking the system for any > users not on the bleeding edge. > > You technically adept guys can keep on hacking away, jumping through hoops > and building your stuff as you see fit

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 2:39 AM Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > blubee blubeeme writes: > > Hans Petter Selasky writes: > > > Are you here to try to stir a conflict? If so that is not > > > appreciated. > > Hans, you of all people should know that's not true. > > And yet here we are. > > You have

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
blubee blubeeme writes: > Hans Petter Selasky writes: > > Are you here to try to stir a conflict? If so that is not > > appreciated. > Hans, you of all people should know that's not true. And yet here we are. You have made it perfectly clear that you are not interested in an honest discussion.

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread Warner Losh
For those wondering at what's going on with this, I've shared the following with the developers@ mailing list. I thought I'd share it here to fight the misinformation that's swirling about. We don't have all the answers yet, and I'm working on it with others in the community to get the best outcome

drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread Oliver Pinter
On Sunday, August 26, 2018, blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:32 PM Hans Petter Selasky > wrote: > > > On 8/26/18 3:20 AM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > Have you or anyone working on this drm-legacy-kmod stuff done any > > testings > > > of how this will affect current users? > >

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:32 PM Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On 8/26/18 3:20 AM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > Have you or anyone working on this drm-legacy-kmod stuff done any > testings > > of how this will affect current users? > > Hi Blubee, > > Are you here to try to stir a conflict? > If so th

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-26 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On 8/26/18 3:20 AM, blubee blubeeme wrote: Have you or anyone working on this drm-legacy-kmod stuff done any testings of how this will affect current users? Hi Blubee, Are you here to try to stir a conflict? If so that is not appreciated. --HPS ___

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread Mark Linimon
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 07:22:06PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: > plonk Indeed. I encourage everyone else to do the same. I'm far too old for proof-by-repetition. mcl ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/f

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread Randy Bush
> I'll just post this again to try and keep the focus on the issue at hand. plonk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.o

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 9:08 AM Paul McNary wrote: > I think you can pay XinuOS to support FreeBSD in a LTS situation. > It is just like linux where you have to pay Red Hat, Suse, etc. > They break things even with point releases. Suse majorly > screwed with video drivers back in the 9.x series.

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread Paul McNary
I think you can pay XinuOS to support FreeBSD in a LTS situation. It is just like linux where you have to pay Red Hat, Suse, etc. They break things even with point releases. Suse majorly screwed with video drivers back in the 9.x series. Totally broke major release. Their answer then was pay us or

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 8:16 AM Johannes Lundberg wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 00:25 blubee blubeeme wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:08 AM Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> >> > blubee blubeeme writes: >> > > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the >> > >

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread Johannes Lundberg
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 00:25 blubee blubeeme wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:08 AM Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > > blubee blubeeme writes: > > > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the > > > individuals that I am currently addressing. > > > > Well, congratulati

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:08 AM Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > blubee blubeeme writes: > > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the > > individuals that I am currently addressing. > > Well, congratulations on alienating absolutely everybody you have > interacted with on

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
blubee blubeeme writes: > True on both points my tone is just a reflection of attitudes of the > individuals that I am currently addressing. Well, congratulations on alienating absolutely everybody you have interacted with on this topic. > Some people enjoy making contributions w/o waving a bann

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:27 PM Matthew Macy wrote: > Hi Owen - > I understand that you're enthusiastic and you just want what's best for > the project. However, there's a couple of points I hope you'll take to > heart. First, please read what you sent and think about the tone and word > choice.

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread Ali Abdallah
Isn't Intel supposed to be working on a native drm driver for FreeBSD? https://bwidawsk.net/blog/index.php/2018/06/i965-compiler-architecture-from-2015/ On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Matthew Macy wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread Matthew Macy
Hi Owen - I understand that you're enthusiastic and you just want what's best for the project. However, there's a couple of points I hope you'll take to heart. First, please read what you sent and think about the tone and word choice. It's extremely negative and critical - you're actively alienatin

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-25 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:04 AM Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 07:07:24AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > Are these guys insane and please avoid the nonsense about you're doing > this > > in your spare time. > > Let us know how whatever OS you wind up using instead works for you

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-24 Thread Mark Linimon
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 07:07:24AM +0800, blubee blubeeme wrote: > Are these guys insane and please avoid the nonsense about you're doing this > in your spare time. Let us know how whatever OS you wind up using instead works for you. I suggest you look for one that will put up with your constant h

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-24 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 8:40 AM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 8/24/18 4:07 PM, blubee blubeeme wrote: > > > This project: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Use%20linuxkpi%20in%20DRM > > Goals > > > > - Move DRM headers to a similar location as Linux > > - > > > > Use kmalloc() instead of malloc(

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-24 Thread Pete Wright
On 8/24/18 4:07 PM, blubee blubeeme wrote: This project: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Use%20linuxkpi%20in%20DRM Goals - Move DRM headers to a similar location as Linux - Use kmalloc() instead of malloc(9) - Use kref - Use idr and get rid of drm_gem_names.c - Use PCI

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-24 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:26 AM Warner Losh wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 4:20 PM Matthew Macy wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > > > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: > > > > > >

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-24 Thread Warner Losh
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 4:20 PM Matthew Macy wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: > > > > > > 20180821: > > > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-24 Thread Matthew Macy
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 14:53 Ali wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: > > > > 20180821: > > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit > hardware, > > or with GPUs predating Rad

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-24 Thread Ali
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 06:54:54PM -0700, Matthew Macy wrote: > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: > > 20180821: > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit hardware, > or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will need to install the > graphics

Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-21 Thread cpghost
On 8/22/18 3:54 AM, Matthew Macy wrote: > Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: > > 20180821: > drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit hardware, > or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will need to install the > graphics/drm-legacy-kmod. All

drm / drm2 removal in 12

2018-08-21 Thread Matthew Macy
Just in case anyone misses the change to UPDATING: 20180821: drm and drm2 have been removed. Users on powerpc, 32-bit hardware, or with GPUs predating Radeon and i915 will need to install the graphics/drm-legacy-kmod. All other users should be able to use one of the