Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-05 Thread Matt
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt wrote: >> >> Just updated to 7-STABLE last night and found that Truecrypt (which >> uses a combination of fuse and mdconfig to mount its encrypted >> volumes) is now completely unable to mount its encrypted volumes. >> I'

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-05 Thread Doug Barton
Matt wrote: Just updated to 7-STABLE last night and found that Truecrypt (which uses a combination of fuse and mdconfig to mount its encrypted volumes) is now completely unable to mount its encrypted volumes. I've rebuilt fusefs-kmod and fusefs-libs as well as Truecrypt to no avail. Silly quest

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-05 Thread Matt
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Ken Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix > warrants the

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-01 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 05:44:17AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Ken Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080729 08:47] wrote: > > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-08-01 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Ken Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080729 08:47] wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix > warrants the impact of the AB

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:30:31 schrieben Sie: > I do not use the fuse fs myself. But the issue was raised during the > internal discussion of the MFC, and it seems that fuse could be not > affected. > > The change only adds the field at the end of the vnode structure, so all > existing fields

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Doug Barton
David Southwell wrote: It sure helps the understanding bit but how about specific instructions about who is to what to do in this instance? I fear that the forest is getting lost for the trees here. :) Under most (90% or more) circumstances "stuff," be that kernel modules or userland binaries

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ed Schouten
* Ian FREISLICH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ABI breakage that Ken refers to here means that a change required > to fix a bug cannot be made while maintaining binary compatibility > with previous versions. Any program that makes use of (I'm guessing) > fcntl(2) or flock(2) that runs on 7.0, will n

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ian FREISLICH
David Southwell wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > ABI breakage that Ken refers to here means that a change required > > to fix a bug cannot be made while maintaining binary compatibility > > with previous versions. Any program that makes use of (I'm guessing) > >

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ken Smith
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 07:55 -0700, David Southwell wrote: > On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > > David Southwell wrote: > > > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > > > "Stable Branch

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ian FREISLICH
David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > Sometimes information gets posted to this list on the assumption that >

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 07:27:27 Ian FREISLICH wrote: > David Southwell wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > > > Some

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 04:26:33 Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > > this." > > The edge case of w

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 01:26:33PM +0200, Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > > this." > > The edge ca

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:03:34 schrieb Ronald Klop: > I think in this case (the ABI breakage) it is more nice to say: "If you > don't know what to do, you wil probably not see any problem because of > this." > The edge case of what can go wrong is so small, that you must be doing > quite speci

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ronald Klop
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:02:52 +0200, Heiko Wundram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:11:31 schrieb David Southwell: i.e. Circumstances and what commands to apply in those circumstances? If you don't know what to do, don't run -STABLE? I think in this case (the ABI b

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 13:11:31 schrieb David Southwell: > i.e. Circumstances and what commands to apply in those circumstances? If you don't know what to do, don't run -STABLE? -- Heiko Wundram ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://li

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 03:11:54 Heiko Wundram wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 11:47:34 schrieb David Southwell: > > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > > implications and how to deal

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Heiko Wundram
Am Mittwoch, 30. Juli 2008 11:47:34 schrieb David Southwell: > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > implications and how to deal with them. ABI (Application Binary Interface) is a term used t

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Vlad GALU
On 7/30/08, David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without ABI breakage, and

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 02:47:34AM -0700, David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > > implemented without ABI breaka

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Max Laier
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 11:47:34 David Southwell wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: ... > For those of us who are not as well informed and experienced as others > could someone please explain what is meant by an ABI breakage, its > implications and how to deal with them.

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread Ronald Klop
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:47:34 +0200, David Southwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be implemented without ABI

Re: Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-30 Thread David Southwell
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 08:45:45 Ken Smith wrote: > Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in > "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be > implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix > warrants the impact of the ABI break

Upcoming ABI Breakage in RELENG_7

2008-07-29 Thread Ken Smith
Normally the FreeBSD Project tries very hard to avoid ABI breakage in "Stable Branches". However occasionally the fix for a bug can not be implemented without ABI breakage, and it is decided that the fix warrants the impact of the ABI breakage. We have one of those situations coming along for RE