Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 11:38:06PM -0500, Jim C. Nasby wrote: > On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:09:50 -0500 > > "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, > > > g

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-26 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:09:50 -0500 > "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, > > gmirror in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the > > othe

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-20 Thread Oliver Fromme
Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: > Jim C. Nasby wrote: > > The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, gmirror > > in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the other that > > doesn't involve wiping both drives at the same time. > > You can wipe one of the disks, cr

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-20 Thread Robert Watson
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Paul Allen wrote: While possibly not advisable in the long term, I ran a 4.x postfix and cyrus server install on 6.x using compat4 for about six months without problems. The place where it gets tricky is updating the 4.x binaries, which requires a 4.x chroot, since I was

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Paul Allen
>From Robert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 12:51:13AM +0100: > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, security wrote: > > > You'll have the sources. If you're using 4.11 in a business, you need > > to decide if it's more cost effective to move on to 6 or hire someone to > >keep 4.11 runni

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Robert Watson
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, security wrote: You'll have the sources. If you're using 4.11 in a business, you need to decide if it's more cost effective to move on to 6 or hire someone to keep 4.11 running. There's compat_4 to keep most userland apps happy. I'm sure you could argue the various d

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:09:50 -0500 "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, > gmirror in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the > other that doesn't involve wiping both drives at the same time. So, what is your b

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky
* "Jim C. Nasby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-19 12:09 -0500]: > The issue I run into is that I use software raid (vinum in 4.11, gmirror > in 6.x), and I don't know of any way to go from one to the other that > doesn't involve wiping both drives at the same time. You can wipe one of the disks, cr

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-19 Thread Jim C. Nasby
On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 10:04:46PM -0500, Yoshihiro Ota wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:13:11 +0100 (BST) > Jan Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you're setting up machines that you're going to be upgrading like > > this in the future, I think it's _really_ worthwhile hacking out a > > coup

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-18 Thread Yoshihiro Ota
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:13:11 +0100 (BST) Jan Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you're setting up machines that you're going to be upgrading like > this in the future, I think it's _really_ worthwhile hacking out a > couple of "root slices" - that is, space for a second / and /usr - to >

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-18 Thread Jan Grant
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Michael W. Oliver wrote: > 1. Be prepared to spend a lot of time in single-user mode, especially > for the 4->5 step, because there is a LOT for mergemaster to do. The > step from 5->6 is not nearly as painful. I didn't try to do the > installworld and mergemaster in multius

In place upgrades (was Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL)

2006-10-17 Thread Doug Barton
Michael, Nice job with this, I'm sure that many people will find it very helpful. I would like to offer a few suggestions if I may. Michael W. Oliver wrote: Colin, Thanks for the verbose and reasoned explanation. Since the email last week, I have taken the opportunity to upgrade two machine

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL (FreeBSD Security Officer)

2006-10-17 Thread Joe Altman
>From the list digest: > 23. FreeBSD 4.x EoL (FreeBSD Security Officer) A few things immediately jumped out at me, and so I've elided everything around them so that they stand out; which I believe to be proper: > From: FreeBSD Security Officer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 07:07:22PM -0400, Michael W. Oliver wrote: > Colin, > > Thanks for the verbose and reasoned explanation. Since the email last > week, I have taken the opportunity to upgrade two machines, one here and > one remote (both with serial console) from 4.9->5.5->6.2PRE, and while

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-17 Thread Michael W. Oliver
Colin, Thanks for the verbose and reasoned explanation. Since the email last week, I have taken the opportunity to upgrade two machines, one here and one remote (both with serial console) from 4.9->5.5->6.2PRE, and while I can't say that I did it blindfolded, it wasn't too painful. The upgrade i

Re: FreeBSD 4.x EoL

2006-10-17 Thread security
FreeBSD Security Officer wrote: In short: * FreeBSD is a volunteer project, and we don't want to volunteer to support FreeBSD 4.x beyond the scheduled EoL date of January 31st, 2007; * Even if we did want to support FreeBSD 4.x beyond that date, I'm not certain that we would be able to do so, g