Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (from Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:00:54 +0100): On 16/10/06, Mark Kirkwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He might have got further by volunteering to create and supply profiles for those specific workloads that were faster in 4.x than 6.x on UP machinery etc... i.e. hel

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-17 Thread Oliver Fromme
Just an interesting thing to note ... Danial Thom is accusing the FreeBSD team of "lying" and being "dishonest". He's saying that FreeBSD is going to die and DragonFly BSD will take its place in one year, and that Matt Dillon had more IQ than the whole FreeBSD team together. Not very long ago, t

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-16 Thread Ricardo Nabinger Sanchez
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do I need to start a project? Matt Dillon is > already doing it. > > One thing that Matt has proved is that IQ isn't > cumulative. Because hes doing on his own what an > entire team of FreeBSD "engineers" can't

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-16 Thread RoBeRT B
If you see/grep Danial Thom in FreeBSD related, consider this: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/88q1/13785.8.html http://amasci.com/weird/flamer.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_war My personal fav' is the first link... How do we know that 'DT' even exists? Hmmm. DT - S, go awa

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-16 Thread Danial Thom
--- Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 02:01:08PM -0400, > Michael Butler wrote: > > For everyone's benefit then, please feel free > to submit your patches > > along with your technical analysis. > > I think his best bet is a fork, instead. Then > he can tell all

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-16 Thread Chris
On 16/10/06, Mark Kirkwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 02:01:08PM -0400, Michael Butler wrote: >> For everyone's benefit then, please feel free to submit your patches >> along with your technical analysis. > > I think his best bet is a fork, instead.

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-15 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Mark Linimon wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 02:01:08PM -0400, Michael Butler wrote: For everyone's benefit then, please feel free to submit your patches along with your technical analysis. I think his best bet is a fork, instead. Then he can tell all the people that volunteer to work on _his_

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-15 Thread Mark Linimon
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 02:01:08PM -0400, Michael Butler wrote: > For everyone's benefit then, please feel free to submit your patches > along with your technical analysis. I think his best bet is a fork, instead. Then he can tell all the people that volunteer to work on _his_ project exactly wha

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-15 Thread Scott Long
Danial Thom wrote: --- Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:57:32AM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Stating facts is not trolling. true, but ... The fact that you may not want to hear it is your own problem [...] You can't keep promoting this junk they're putting

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x

2006-10-15 Thread Michael Butler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Danial Thom wrote: > There isn't one person on that team that knows how to fix what's > wrong .. For everyone's benefit then, please feel free to submit your patches along with your technical analysis, Michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Ver

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-15 Thread Danial Thom
--- Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:57:32AM -0700, > Danial Thom wrote: > > Stating facts is not trolling. > > true, but ... > > > The fact that you may not want to hear it is > your own problem [...] > > You can't keep promoting this junk they're > putting

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-15 Thread Mark Linimon
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:57:32AM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: > Stating facts is not trolling. true, but ... > The fact that you may not want to hear it is your own problem [...] > You can't keep promoting this junk they're putting out. You can't just > keep kicking the Matt Dillons out of the cam

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Horwath
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 07:57:32AM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: > Hi Kip, > > Where you a troll when you outlined how your port > of FreeBSD 6 to Solaris was so bad that it was > virtually unusable? Stating facts is not > trolling. And you crossposted this to performance...why? Kip might be right,

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-15 Thread Danial Thom
Hi Kip, Where you a troll when you outlined how your port of FreeBSD 6 to Solaris was so bad that it was virtually unusable? Stating facts is not trolling. The fact that you may not want to hear it is your own problem. I'm fairly certain that you know that every single thing I'm saying is true, bu

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread Danial Thom
--- Dan Lukes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Danial Thom wrote: > > The right thing to do is to port the SATA > support > > and new NIC support back to 4.x and support > both. > > 4.x is far superior on a Uniprocessor system > and > > FreeBSD-5+ may be an entire re-write away > from > > ever being

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread Kip Macy
Please do not feed the trolls. -Kip On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Danial Thom wrote: > > > --- Alexander Leidinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Quoting Dan Lukes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (from Thu, 12 > > Oct 2006 09:43:20 +0200): > > > > [moved from security@ to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe its just time for the entire FreeBSD team > to come out of its world of delusion and come to > terms with what every real-life user of FreeBSD > knows: In how ever many years of development, > there is still no

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread Vlad GALU
On 10/12/06, Dan Lukes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Danial Thom wrote: > The right thing to do is to port the SATA support > and new NIC support back to 4.x and support both. > 4.x is far superior on a Uniprocessor system and > FreeBSD-5+ may be an entire re-write away from > ever being any good at

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread Dan Lukes
Danial Thom wrote: The right thing to do is to port the SATA support and new NIC support back to 4.x and support both. 4.x is far superior on a Uniprocessor system and FreeBSD-5+ may be an entire re-write away from ever being any good at MP. Come to terms with it, PLEASE, because it is the case a

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread N.J. Mann
On Thu 12 Oct 07:19, Danial Thom wrote: > [...] > Maybe its just time for the entire FreeBSD team > to come out of its world of delusion and come to > terms with what every real-life user of FreeBSD > knows: In how ever many years of development, > there is still no good reason to use anything > o

Re: Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread Danial Thom
--- Alexander Leidinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Dan Lukes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (from Thu, 12 > Oct 2006 09:43:20 +0200): > > [moved from security@ to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > The main problem is - 6.x is still not > competitive replacement for > > 4.x. I'm NOT speaking about old

Performance 4.x vs. 6.x (was: e: [fbsd] HEADS UP: FreeBSD 5.3, 5.4, 6.0 EoLs coming soon)

2006-10-12 Thread Alexander Leidinger
Quoting Dan Lukes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (from Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:43:20 +0200): [moved from security@ to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The main problem is - 6.x is still not competitive replacement for 4.x. I'm NOT speaking about old unsupported hardware - I speaked about performance in some situatio