This might be the only real advantage of a serial console. The unit you
pointed to is ~$4000.00, whereas 16-port serial console units run more
like $1000.00.
I've built a number of Dell systems lately (Windows for this client) but
I always order them with the DRAC/4 card. I think it's about $350
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 03:40, Bill Moran wrote:
> Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > KVM requires you to physically _be_ at the colo.
> >
> > ?! Not the one I have for our colo - it's a little java app
> > where I choose a machine from a dropdown and get the video
> > in a window on the desk
On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 06:34:58PM +0100, Pete French wrote:
> > Colocation that does not include serial console access is IMHO worthless.
>
> i;ve been following this discussion with interest - what advantages does
> a serial concolse give you over a colo's standard KVM access ? I've
> never used
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:22:56 +0100
Bruce M Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Depending on how exotic you wish to get, however. For example; IBM
> have embedded RFB (that's something of an alias for VNC) in their
> management controllers for a few years now; these talk to the
> management proces
On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 02:41:47PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote:
> This might be the only real advantage of a serial console. The unit you
> pointed to is ~$4000.00, whereas 16-port serial console units run more
> like $1000.00.
Then again it's possible to build terminal servers with ssh capabilities
Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's an out of the ordinary KVM. Would you mind passing on the
> > manufacturer of that unit, I'd like to recommend that unit to a number
> > of clients/associates of mine.
>
> It's an HP unit. The client is a Java program called IPViewer you
> donwlo
> That's an out of the ordinary KVM. Would you mind passing on the
> manufacturer of that unit, I'd like to recommend that unit to a number
> of clients/associates of mine.
It's an HP unit. The client is a Java program called IPViewer you
donwload from their website. I did have to tweak it to run
Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > KVM requires you to physically _be_ at the colo.
>
> ?! Not the one I have for our colo - it's a little java app
> where I choose a machine from a dropdown and get the video
> in a window on the desktop.
That's an out of the ordinary KVM. Would you min
> KVM requires you to physically _be_ at the colo.
?! Not the one I have for our colo - it's a little java app
where I choose a machine from a dropdown and get the video
in a window on the desktop.
> A serial console with an IP address and ssh capabilities (which is easy to
> set up, or fairly in
Pete French <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Colocation that does not include serial console access is IMHO worthless.
>
> i;ve been following this discussion with interest - what advantages does
> a serial concolse give you over a colo's standard KVM access ? I've
> never used a serial consolve wi
> Colocation that does not include serial console access is IMHO worthless.
i;ve been following this discussion with interest - what advantages does
a serial concolse give you over a colo's standard KVM access ? I've
never used a serial consolve with FreeBSD, though I see the phrase crop
up a lot.
On Fri, Apr 22, 2005 at 10:09:09AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote:
> Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > >Fact is, trying to update a running system could result in silent failures.
> > >The system can not replace programs that are in use, so t
Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Fact is, trying to update a running system could result in silent failures.
> >The system can not replace programs that are in use, so there's always the
> >chance that something or other won't get updated (c
Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>bash-2.05b$ su
>Password:
>bolivia# cp /usr/sbin/cron /home/wmoran/.
>bolivia# cp /home/wmoran/cron /usr/sbin/.
>cp: /usr/sbin/./cron: Text file busy
>bolivia#
>
>Notice that /usr/sbin/cron is in use (because my system is running
>normally) I can copy _fro
Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Fact is, trying to update a running system could result in silent failures.
>The system can not replace programs that are in use, so there's always the
>chance that something or other won't get updated (cron would be an excellent
>example ... do you always s
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Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
Ok, everyone who has NEVER ever made that mistake (or locked themself
out with a firewall rule, accidentally putting it into effect before
testing) raise their hand. :)
Yes, that would be me. But someone taught me a great tric
Aristedes Maniatis schrieb:
On 20/04/2005, at 6:05 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
(And of course the obvious--DO NOT shut down the sshd daemon.) :)
Ok, everyone who has NEVER ever made that mistake (or locked themself
out with a firewall rule, accidentally putting it into effect before
testing) raise t
On 4/20/05, Aristedes Maniatis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, that would be me. But someone taught me a great trick...the "at"
> command. So, just before you blow away your access with changes to
> ipfw, do this:
>
> echo "ipfw add 1 pass all from any to any" at now +10 minutes
>
> Then if all
On 20/04/2005, at 6:05 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
(And of course the obvious--DO NOT shut down the sshd daemon.) :)
Ok, everyone who has NEVER ever made that mistake (or locked themself
out with a firewall rule, accidentally putting it into effect before
testing) raise their hand. :)
Yes, that woul
>> Fact is, trying to update a running system could
result in silent failures.
>> The system can not replace programs that are in
use, so there's always the
>> chance that something or other won't get updated
(cron would be an excellent
>> example ... do you always shut cron off when you
update? H
> Apparenlty, nobody who is claiming this has _tried_ it. Try it yourself
Apparently yo misunderstood what people were claiming. Nobody said
you can modify a running binary, merely that you can replace it. try
deleting it and writing a new one. it does work, I do this all the time!
-pcf.
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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:34:37 -0600 (MDT)
Warner Losh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Newbie Question About System Update
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:32:37 -0400
>
> > Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 04:32:54PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
>
(I don't think this original quote is Warner's, but I lost the poster's
name somewhere)
> > That being said, I quite often do installworld on running systems because I
> > have no
From: Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie Question About System Update
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:32:37 -0400
> Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill Moran wrote:
> > > The system can not replace programs that are in use,
> >
>
> Fact is, trying to update a running system could result in silent failures.
> The system can not replace programs that are in use, so there's always the
> chance that something or other won't get updated (cron would be an excellent
> example ... do you always shut cron off when you update? How a
On Tuesday 19 April 2005 22:25, Karl Denninger wrote:
> >
> > My attitude is that if you don't boot -s, you are simply playing
> > Russian-roulette with your system. Some day, it will bite you.
> >
> > Kent
>
> Not if your update procedure saves the old kernel.
>
> Yes, you will have to get there t
Have fun!
-js
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On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 02:02:04PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 April 2005 01:39 pm, Dan Nelson wrote:
> > In the last episode (Apr 19), Bill Moran said:
> > > Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Bill Moran wrote:
> > > > > The system can not replace programs that are in u
On Tuesday 19 April 2005 01:39 pm, Dan Nelson wrote:
> In the last episode (Apr 19), Bill Moran said:
> > Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Bill Moran wrote:
> > > > The system can not replace programs that are in use,
> > >
> > > This is generally not the case. Unix lets you continue
On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 04:32:37PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote:
> Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill Moran wrote:
> > > The system can not replace programs that are in use,
> >
> > This is generally not the case. Unix lets you continue to access a file
> > after
> > it has been delete
In the last episode (Apr 19), Bill Moran said:
> Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill Moran wrote:
> > > The system can not replace programs that are in use,
> > This is generally not the case. Unix lets you continue to access a
> > file after it has been deleted, so long as the proces
Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill Moran wrote:
> > The system can not replace programs that are in use,
>
> This is generally not the case. Unix lets you continue to access a file
> after
> it has been deleted, so long as the process hangs on to a file descriptor.
> This lets you
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> On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 09:36:57PM +0200, K?vesd?n G?bor wrote:
> >
> > >This is generally not the case. Unix lets you continue to access a
> > >file after it has been deleted, s
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On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 09:36:57PM +0200, K?vesd?n G?bor wrote:
>
> >This is generally not the case. Unix lets you continue to access a
> >file after it has been deleted, so long as the process hangs on to a
> >file descriptor. This lets you replac
This is generally not the case. Unix lets you continue to access a
file after it has been deleted, so long as the process hangs on to a
file descriptor. This lets you replace programs in use, without
running into the same problems that platforms like Windows have.
Though this is true, I discou
Bill Moran wrote:
Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ ... ]
Fact is, trying to update a running system could result in silent failures.
True. It's better to shut down as many tasks as possible.
The system can not replace programs that are in use,
This is generally not the case. Unix lets
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:28:39 -0400
> From: Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I've been away from *NIX a few years. I have been playing with FreeBSD
> > for a week or so now with mixed results. I am using release 4.
Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >After that, I ran into problems. It took me a little while to figure
> >out how to do "boot -s". However, it appears that a lot of the
> >directories aren't mounted and the next scripts aren't in the pa
Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been away from *NIX a few years. I have been playing with FreeBSD
> for a week or so now with mixed results. I am using release 4.11
> because for some reason 5.3 has problems seeing my hard drives. 4.11,
> Red Hat Linux and NetBSD have no such
Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>After that, I ran into problems. It took me a little while to figure
>out how to do "boot -s". However, it appears that a lot of the
>directories aren't mounted and the next scripts aren't in the path. For
>example, I can't figure out how to do the "
> Many thanks to all of you who very promptly gave me the information
> necessary to progress beyond this point. Even at 70, I continue to learn.
Very impressive! Good luck.
regards
Claus
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Many thanks to all of you who very promptly gave me the information
necessary to progress beyond this point. Even at 70, I continue to learn.
I never know when I subscribe to a new list how newbie questions will be
received. Based on this small sample, I am quite favorably impressed.
Thanks a
On Monday 18 April 2005 04:51 pm, Jim Campbell wrote:
> I've been away from *NIX a few years. I have been playing with FreeBSD
> for a week or so now with mixed results. I am using release 4.11
> because for some reason 5.3 has problems seeing my hard drives. 4.11,
> Red Hat Linux and NetBSD hav
I've been away from *NIX a few years. I have been playing with FreeBSD
for a week or so now with mixed results. I am using release 4.11
because for some reason 5.3 has problems seeing my hard drives. 4.11,
Red Hat Linux and NetBSD have no such trouble.
This afternoon I used the "Updating Sou
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