Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-12-11 Thread Oliver Fromme
Steven Hartland wrote: > sysctl -a |grep dirhash > > Check vfs.ufs.dirhash_mem is not close to vfs.ufs.dirhash_maxmem if it is > and only most used boxes this seems to be the case increase maxmem. > > Seems this could either do with an auto tune option or a larger max by > default in today

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-12-08 Thread Uwe Doering
Andreas Pettersson wrote: Claus Guttesen wrote: could either replace my 10K rpm drives (in raid 1+0) with 15K ditto which would require a downtime which we could not afford at this tim I have several times successfully upgraded mirrored volumes with new disks without any downtime at all. Just

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-12-07 Thread Adam McDougall
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:39:22PM +, Pete French wrote: Just as a followup to this - I soent some time going through all the suggestions and advice that people gave me regarding this problem. It turns out that the newer servers shipped by HP have different cache settings to the older

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-12-07 Thread Andreas Pettersson
Claus Guttesen wrote: could either replace my 10K rpm drives (in raid 1+0) with 15K ditto which would require a downtime which we could not afford at this tim I have several times successfully upgraded mirrored volumes with new disks without any downtime at all. Just change one disk, let the m

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-12-07 Thread Pete French
> What settings are there on the cache? I have a DL 380 G5 with 2 x The RAID cards on the original machines came with the cache configured as 50/50 read/write split. The new ones came configured 25/75 read/write splitl. Having set them all to 50/50 using the Smart Start CD then I now get iidentica

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-12-07 Thread Claus Guttesen
> Just as a followup to this - I soent some time going through all > the suggestions and advice that people gave me regarding this problem. > It turns out that the newer servers shipped by HP have different cache > settings to the older ones on their RAID controllers, plus I get very > different re

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-12-07 Thread Pete French
Just as a followup to this - I soent some time going through all the suggestions and advice that people gave me regarding this problem. It turns out that the newer servers shipped by HP have different cache settings to the older ones on their RAID controllers, plus I get very different results from

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Clifton Royston
On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 05:59:26AM +0100, Claus Guttesen wrote: > > Thing is that GENERIC as installed out of the box should not take two > > minutes > > to delete a gig of files off a 15k RPM SAS drive! especially not > > when identical hardware with half the number of processor cores only takes

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Kris Kennaway
Ivan Voras wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: Check dmesg for the APIC numbers corresponding to the CPUs you want to disable and add the corresponding entries to /boot/loader.conf, e.g.: hint.lapic.1.disable="1" hint.lapic.3.disable="1" hint.lapic.5.disable="1" hint.lapic.7.disable="1" Hi, Do you

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Kris Kennaway
Pete French wrote: Well, the "1" is a boolean so those values will probably also work, but the point was to disable apics 1,3,5 and 7 on the left hand side :) In your case those are also valid but sometimes they are other numbers. yes, I worked that out about 5 minutes after posting and makin

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Pete French
> Well, the "1" is a boolean so those values will probably also work, but > the point was to disable apics 1,3,5 and 7 on the left hand side :) In > your case those are also valid but sometimes they are other numbers. yes, I worked that out about 5 minutes after posting and making myself look f

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Gavin Atkinson
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 09:44 -0500, Jim Pingle wrote: > This may be a silly question, but have you tried reducing the RAM on the > quad core machine to 4GB so the machines match in that respect as well? > > I seem to recall a thread a while back about someone who had slowdowns in a > certain situat

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Kris Kennaway
Pete French wrote: Yes, if the claim is that the hardware is absolutely identical apart from one having two quad-core CPUs instead of two dual-core, the next step is to disable half of the CPUs and confirm that the problem goes away. Just comming back to this today, will do a side by side comp

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Ivan Voras
Kris Kennaway wrote: > Check dmesg for the APIC numbers corresponding to the CPUs you want to > disable and add the corresponding entries to /boot/loader.conf, e.g.: > > hint.lapic.1.disable="1" > hint.lapic.3.disable="1" > hint.lapic.5.disable="1" > hint.lapic.7.disable="1" Hi, Do you know how

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Claus Guttesen
> > Yes, if the claim is that the hardware is absolutely identical apart > > from one having two quad-core CPUs instead of two dual-core, the next > > step is to disable half of the CPUs and confirm that the problem goes away. > > Just comming back to this today, will do a side by side compare of t

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Jim Pingle
Pete French wrote: >> Have you checked that your dir hash isn't suffering due to lack of memory >> this can have a marked impact on seemingly trivial things like this as >> could silly things like the RAID card being installed in a different slot. > > RAID card is onboard on these things - how wou

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 07:10 AM 11/30/2007, Pete French wrote: > Check dmesg for the APIC numbers corresponding to the CPUs you want to > disable and add the corresponding entries to /boot/loader.conf, e.g.: O.K., I did that, got it running on 4 CPU's only, and the problem is still there - so it's not the number of

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Gelsema, P (Patrick)
On Fri, November 30, 2007 13:10, Pete French wrote: >> Check dmesg for the APIC numbers corresponding to the CPUs you want to >> disable and add the corresponding entries to /boot/loader.conf, e.g.: > > O.K., I did that, got it running on 4 CPU's only, and the problem > is still there - so it's not

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Pete French
> Check vfs.ufs.dirhash_mem is not close to vfs.ufs.dirhash_maxmem if it is > and only most used boxes this seems to be the case increase maxmem. Its nowhere near - and the dirhash_maxmem and dirhash_minsize are the same on both boxes. > Seems this could either do with an auto tune option or a la

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Steven Hartland
Steve - Original Message - From: "Pete French" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 2:06 AM Subject: Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core Have you checked that your dir ha

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Pete French
> Check dmesg for the APIC numbers corresponding to the CPUs you want to > disable and add the corresponding entries to /boot/loader.conf, e.g.: O.K., I did that, got it running on 4 CPU's only, and the problem is still there - so it's not the number of CPU's after all. Which is good in a way in

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Pete French
> Yes, if the claim is that the hardware is absolutely identical apart > from one having two quad-core CPUs instead of two dual-core, the next > step is to disable half of the CPUs and confirm that the problem goes away. Just comming back to this today, will do a side by side compare of the dmes

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-30 Thread Kris Kennaway
Claus Guttesen wrote: Thing is that GENERIC as installed out of the box should not take two minutes to delete a gig of files off a 15k RPM SAS drive! especially not when identical hardware with half the number of processor cores only takes eleven seconds to do the same job. Something is wrong som

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Alexey Popov
Hi Pete French wrote: Have you checked that your dir hash isn't suffering due to lack of memory this can have a marked impact on seemingly trivial things like this as could silly things like the RAID card being installed in a different slot. RAID card is onboard on these things - how would I c

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Claus Guttesen
> Thing is that GENERIC as installed out of the box should not take two minutes > to delete a gig of files off a 15k RPM SAS drive! especially not > when identical hardware with half the number of processor cores only takes > eleven seconds to do the same job. Something is wrong somewhere if doubli

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Pete French
> Have you checked that your dir hash isn't suffering due to lack of memory > this can have a marked impact on seemingly trivial things like this as > could silly things like the RAID card being installed in a different slot. RAID card is onboard on these things - how would I check the dir hash ?

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Steven Hartland
Have you checked that your dir hash isn't suffering due to lack of memory this can have a marked impact on seemingly trivial things like this as could silly things like the RAID card being installed in a different slot. Regards Steve - Original Message - From: "Pete French" <[EMAI

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Kris Kennaway
Pete French wrote: That almost certainly has nothing to do with how many CPUs your system has, since rm -rf is a single process running on a single core. Well, yes, common sense would also tell me that. But the systems should be identical aside from the number of cores. Both installed off 7.0-B

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Pete French
> That almost certainly has nothing to do with how many CPUs your system > has, since rm -rf is a single process running on a single core. Well, yes, common sense would also tell me that. But the systems should be identical aside from the number of cores. Both installed off 7.0-BETA3 CD's today,

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Pete French
> Can you provide more details on this task? It seems like something that > could easily be reproduced in a lab environment and serve as a regression > test and baseline for future improvements. Is the server doing any other > work while doing the rm, or is this it? What kind of directory layout

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Kris Kennaway
Matt Reimer wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 11:20 AM, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matt Reimer wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 10:58 AM, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pete French wrote: On the dual core processors this takes about 20 seconds. On the quad cores it takes about 3 minutes! T

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Matt Reimer
On Nov 29, 2007 11:20 AM, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matt Reimer wrote: > > On Nov 29, 2007 10:58 AM, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Pete French wrote: > >>> On the dual core processors this takes about 20 seconds. On the quad > >>> cores it takes about 3 minutes! Thi

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Kris Kennaway
Matt Reimer wrote: On Nov 29, 2007 10:58 AM, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pete French wrote: On the dual core processors this takes about 20 seconds. On the quad cores it takes about 3 minutes! This is true for both the 32 and 64 bit versions of FreeBSD :-( That almost certainly ha

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Matt Reimer
On Nov 29, 2007 10:58 AM, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pete French wrote: > > On the dual core processors this takes about 20 seconds. On the quad > > cores it takes about 3 minutes! This is true for both the 32 and 64 bit > > versions of FreeBSD :-( > > That almost certainly has noth

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Kris Kennaway
Pete French wrote: I think I also just came up against the same effect that the original poster saw. I have two sets of machines here - one is a pair of dual core Xeons, the other a pair of quad core Xeons. They are HP servers, more or less identical apart from the processors I belive. Both have

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Max Laier
On Thursday 29 November 2007, Pete French wrote: > I think I also just came up against the same effect that the original > poster saw. I have two sets of machines here - one is a pair of dual > core Xeons, the other a pair of quad core Xeons. They are HP servers, > more or less identical apart from

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Claus Guttesen
> > ULE- or 4BSD-scheduler? > > 4BSD - am just running GENERIC on both system. Should I try ULE? ULE has shown several improvements compared to 4BSD with more than one cpu. It's worth trying but may not improve the rm-rimes. > > Bit OT: Are the servers DL360 or DL380 (G5)? I will upgrade a DL380

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Pete French
> ULE- or 4BSD-scheduler? 4BSD - am just running GENERIC on both system. Should I try ULE? > Bit OT: Are the servers DL360 or DL380 (G5)? I will upgrade a DL380 > server from 6.2 to 7.0 (beta3) in order to gain some performance > tomorrow. Both the old and new are DL360 G5 according the the iLo.

Re: Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Claus Guttesen
> I think I also just came up against the same effect that the original poster > saw. I have two sets of machines here - one is a pair of dual core Xeons, > the other a pair of quad core Xeons. They are HP servers, more or less > identical apart from the processors I belive. > > Both have 7.0-BETA3

Also seeing 2 x quad-core system slower that 2 x dual core

2007-11-29 Thread Pete French
I think I also just came up against the same effect that the original poster saw. I have two sets of machines here - one is a pair of dual core Xeons, the other a pair of quad core Xeons. They are HP servers, more or less identical apart from the processors I belive. Both have 7.0-BETA3 installed,