Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

Don't forget that Telnet is an actual protocol, which telnet(1) implements. nc is (for the most part) just a byte-copying middleman. There's still gear out there that speaks Telnet, and expects the client to support it (primarily for things like line mode editing). --lyndon _

Re: current make world brakes if HESIOD enabled

On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:18:29AM +0300, Daniel Braniss wrote: > I must be the last person on earth to use Hesiod :-) > this are the diffs: Thanks, this was committed earlier today. > diff --git a/lib/libc/gen/getgrent.c b/lib/libc/gen/getgrent.c > index afb89cab3..5832cb8c6 100644 > --- a/lib/l

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote: My vote is for no. Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop?  By continuously moving stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel. 😉 I follow this argumentation. I do not understand what is the problem

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 16:39, Ed Maste wrote: > > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. I posted this as a proposal for community feedback, and there

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

> On Apr 5, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > Hi all, > > I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients > from Mac OS and I needed to reinstall them via MacPorts. Yep, and what I think many miss IRT to the stock ftpd is that it’s dumb simple and “just wo

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

Hi, > On 5 Apr 2021, at 20:01, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: > > Hi all, > >> Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste : >> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? > > A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't. +1 (later still) > I absolutely freaked out when

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Patrick M. Hausen wrote: Hi all, Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste : I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't. I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients from

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

Hi all, > Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste : > I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments? A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't. I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients from Mac OS and I needed to reinstall them via Ma

RE: Deprecating base system ftpd?

I'd shed no tears losing ftp+(d). That noted, tftp (the daemon) is still used to load firmware on too many devices (changing) and telnet (the client) can be useful in debugging network listeners and chatting with stupid IOTs that can't be bothered with using SSH. I haven't enabled either telne

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:21, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > 04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote: > >> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 >> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. >> I had original

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On 4/5/21 5:28 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: - replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS traffic? Because I trust my (European) ISP significantly more than I trust big US companies? Yes, I have a pretty good idea what Cloudflare, Google etc have said about the queri

Re: FreeBSD 13.0-RC5 Now Available

I don't know, ask yourself that, you did the same thing On 4/4/21 6:21 PM, Glen Barber wrote: Is it necessary to quote the*entire* email (including checksums)? Glen Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity and/or typos. ___ freebsd-stable

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 06:57:31PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: > On 05.04.2021 17:44, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > - remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all > > use https://. > Please, explain how to setup simple sever which allows upload and on-server > file manag

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

In message , Alan Somers writes: > --bb4fba05bf3ae99f > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:45 AM Cy Schubert > wrote: > > > In message > > > om> > > , Ed Maste writes: > > > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system > > >

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

Ruben van Staveren via freebsd-stable writes: > It is time to deprecate ftp altogether, and any other protocols that = > embed protocol information in layer 7, thus hurting any #IPv6 migration = > and deployment technology (SIIT-DC e.g). > ftp, a protocol not using TLS protection [...] You seem

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On 05.04.2021 17:44, Cy Schubert wrote: - remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all use https://. Please, explain how to setup simple sever which allows upload and on-server file management with https ;-) I know letters "WebDAV", but I don't know any ftp-like c

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 >> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. >> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped >> off my list. FTP is not nearly

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:45 AM Cy Schubert wrote: > In message > om> > , Ed Maste writes: > > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system > > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 > > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. > > I had o

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

In message , Ed Maste writes: > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. > I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped > off

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

W dniu 05.04.2021 o 14:10, Ruben van Staveren via freebsd-stable pisze: > > >> On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:39, Ed Maste wrote: >> >> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 >> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notic

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 10:29 PM Eugene Grosbein wrote: > On 05.04.2021 06:25, Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > > > Eugene mentioned the convenience of ftpd in the same sentence as ipsec. > > I'm willing to bet those systems have ports installed too. > > Ports/packages are great but they are not replacem

Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?

> On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:39, Ed Maste wrote: > > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447 > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page. > I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but

Re: FreeBSD 13.0-RC5 Now Available

On 4/4/21 1:50 PM, Alan Somers wrote: > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 9:34 AM Glen Barber > wrote: > > The fifth RC build of the 13.0-RELEASE release cycle is now available. > > In the past, making these releases required pushing updates to > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/user/