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2008-09-23 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 09:32:52AM +1000, jonathan michaels wrote: > thank you gentle peoples for working out this solution. Unfortunately it has not been 'worked out' with the decision-makers. It has been suggested. Doing s/suggested/agreed to/ is not an automatic process. mcl _

Re: RELENG_7: buildworld failed with MODULES_WITH_WORLD=

2008-09-23 Thread Eugene Grosbein
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:27:18AM +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > I've just tried to build NanoBSD from 7.0-STABLE sources > with MODULES_WITH_WORLD knob enabled and it failed. > Note that NanoBSD uses make -j3 by default and I have dualcore system. > > ===> sys/modules/nfslockd (depend) > @ ->

Re: fxp multicast forwarding problems

2008-09-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:36:38AM -0700, Jack Vogel wrote: > LOL, sorry to disappoint you but I'm not responsible for fxp, Intel didn't > write > it, and i've never touched it :) Now that wouldnt mean that I can't look at > it, > but I am very busy right now, so unless there's no alternative I'

Re: proposed change to support policy for FreeBSD Releases

2008-09-23 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Colin Percival wrote: jonathan michaels wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 01:37:03PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: Some quite lively offline discussion has come to conclusion with the following suggestions to change the support policy. Obviously, this is what we feel wo

Re: proposed change to support policy for FreeBSD Releases

2008-09-23 Thread Colin Percival
jonathan michaels wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 01:37:03PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: Some quite lively offline discussion has come to conclusion with the following suggestions to change the support policy. Obviously, this is what we feel would be a good idea, but it's obviously open to discu

Re: proposed change to support policy for FreeBSD Releases

2008-09-23 Thread jonathan michaels
freebsd-stable et al ... On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 01:37:03PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: > Some quite lively offline discussion has come to conclusion with the > following suggestions to change the support policy. Obviously, this > is what we feel would be a good idea, but it's obviously open to

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Mikhail Teterin
Robert Watson написав(ла): Sounds a lot like a lock leak/deadlock. Other than DDB output or a crashdump, which would allow us to explore some more, there's probably not much to be done with the box at this point other than reset. Sorry about that. Well, to reproduce you can try to build OpenO

Re: Possible UDP deadlock/panic fix

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Watson
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira wrote: That seems to be working. I've been up and running for 7 hours now with your patch. The machine is a bit slow but I have both WITNESS and INVARIANTS enabled so as to make sure everything is fine. I've now merged the fix to st

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Watson
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Mikhail Teterin wrote: Robert Watson написав(ла): Could you try procstat -kk on the process, does that shed any light? When I was trying `procstat -k', I was getting the message: PIDTID COMM TDNAME KSTACK procstat: sysctl: kern.proc.kstack

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Mikhail Teterin
Robert Watson написав(ла): Could you try procstat -kk on the process, does that shed any light? When I was trying `procstat -k', I was getting the message: PIDTID COMM TDNAME KSTACK procstat: sysctl: kern.proc.kstack unavailable pro

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-23 Thread Jo Rhett
John, we're already committed to upgrade to 6.3 (since it will currently be supported longer than 6.4). 6.2 support isn't part of this conversation, it has entirely revolved around support periods for upcoming releases. On Sep 23, 2008, at 1:10 PM, John Baldwin wrote: Jo, so it seems to me

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Robert Watson
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Mikhail Teterin wrote: 37126 33012 8371 2425 2425 1 mi - FreeBSD ELF64 dmake PIDTID COMM TDNAME CPU PRI STATE WCHAN 37126 100724 dmake- 1 193 sleep - There are no problems ktrace-ing

proposed change to support policy for FreeBSD Releases

2008-09-23 Thread Jo Rhett
Some quite lively offline discussion has come to conclusion with the following suggestions to change the support policy. Obviously, this is what we feel would be a good idea, but it's obviously open to discussion and there's nobody demanding anything here. It just seems "better". Old te

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday 23 September 2008 02:25:05 pm Paul B. Mahol wrote: > > The OS is: FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE/amd64 from Sat Jul 26, 2008 and the box is > > otherwise perfectly functional. The scheduling-related options are set > > as such: > > > > options SCHED_4BSD # 4BSD scheduler > >

Re: RELENG_7: something is very wrong with UDP?

2008-09-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Saturday 20 September 2008 05:58:03 am Oleg V. Nauman wrote: > Quoting Robert Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> This is approximately the date of my last UDP MFC. Could you try > >>> backing out just src/sys/netinet6/udp6_usrreq.c revision 1.81.2.7 > >>> and see if that helps? (specifical

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-23 Thread John Baldwin
Jo, so it seems to me that you could just start by maintaining your own set of extended support patches for the FreeBSD releases you care about. I don't think you have to be a committer or secteam@ member to do this. It does mean that you might not be able to fix a bug in, say, 6.2 at the same

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Josh Carroll
> However, what I'm seeing on my system today is evidence of the scheduler > having a bug, rather than merely being suboptimal. If the old scheduler is > still maintained and supposed to work (however sub-optimally) in 4-CPU > configurations, I'd expect either inquiries for more debug-information o

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Mikhail Teterin
Josh Carroll написав(ла): However, what I'm seeing on my system today is evidence of the scheduler having a bug, rather than merely being suboptimal. If the old scheduler is still maintained and supposed to work (however sub-optimally) in 4-CPU configurations, I'd expect either inquiries for more

Re: RELENG_7: buildworld failed with MODULES_WITH_WORLD=

2008-09-23 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 02:14:01AM +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:27:18AM +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > I've just tried to build NanoBSD from 7.0-STABLE sources > > with MODULES_WITH_WORLD knob enabled and it failed. > > Note that NanoBSD uses make -j3 by default

Re: fxp multicast forwarding problems

2008-09-23 Thread Jack Vogel
LOL, sorry to disappoint you but I'm not responsible for fxp, Intel didn't write it, and i've never touched it :) Now that wouldnt mean that I can't look at it, but I am very busy right now, so unless there's no alternative I'd rather not. Jack On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Jeremy Chadwick <

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Paul B. Mahol
On 9/23/08, Mikhail Teterin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > I was trying to build OpenOffice using all of my 4 CPUs. To be able to > do other work on the machine comfortably, I ran the build under nice, > and assigned real-time priority to the two Xorg processes. > The build started at abou

Re: RELENG_7: buildworld failed with MODULES_WITH_WORLD=

2008-09-23 Thread Eugene Grosbein
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:27:18AM +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > I've just tried to build NanoBSD from 7.0-STABLE sources > with MODULES_WITH_WORLD knob enabled and it failed. > Note that NanoBSD uses make -j3 by default and I have dualcore system. > > ===> sys/modules/nfslockd (depend) > @ ->

Re: 7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Mikhail Teterin
Paul B. Mahol написав(ла): Let me know, what else I can do to help fix this bug -- I'm going to reboot the machine tonight... Should I switch to SCHED_ULE as a work-around? SCHED_BSD4 is suboptimal for 4 CPUs, and it is replaced with SCHED_ULE on 7 STABLE. Thanks, Paul for the explanati

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-23 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Ian Smith wrote: It also doesn't seem reasonable to expect that decision to be rushed in advance of the necessary evaluation of the success or otherwise of both 6.4 and 7.1 releases - especially when we're talking about these being only a month or so away anyway.

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-23 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Ian Smith wrote: I mean seriously, if you were to say "We will support 6.4 for 24 months *unless* we find it necessary to release 6.5 then I'd be totally happy. But that's not what is being said. I believe that's exactly what has been said. rwatson@ and simon

RELENG_7: buildworld failed with MODULES_WITH_WORLD=

2008-09-23 Thread Eugene Grosbein
Hi! I've just tried to build NanoBSD from 7.0-STABLE sources with MODULES_WITH_WORLD knob enabled and it failed. Note that NanoBSD uses make -j3 by default and I have dualcore system. ===> sys/modules/nfslockd (depend) @ -> /usr/local/src/sys machine -> /usr/local/src/sys/i386/include echo "#defi

7.0-stable: a hung process - scheduler bug?

2008-09-23 Thread Mikhail Teterin
Hello! I was trying to build OpenOffice using all of my 4 CPUs. To be able to do other work on the machine comfortably, I ran the build under nice, and assigned real-time priority to the two Xorg processes. The build started at about 23:10 last night, and hung at 23:46. The procstat output for

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-23 Thread Derek Taylor
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Ian Smith wrote: >On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote: > > I think you are using "last release" in a different way. "the last release" > > is always the most release release. Right now 6.3 will have support for > > longer than 6.4 will, which is the nature of the problem I ra

Re: Possible UDP deadlock/panic fix

2008-09-23 Thread Norbert Papke
On September 22, 2008, Robert Watson wrote: > your confirmation as to whether or not this corrects the > specific symptoms you are seeing would be very helpful. 14+ hours under load with the patch and all is well. Thanks! -- Norbert. ___ freebsd-sta

Re: iwn(4) (Intel 4965 wireless) backport

2008-09-23 Thread Gavin Atkinson
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 16:08 +0300, Stefan Lambrev wrote: > Hi Gavin, > > Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:48 +0100, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> > >>> On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > >>> > >>>

Re: iwn(4) (Intel 4965 wireless) backport

2008-09-23 Thread Stefan Lambrev
Hi Gavin, Gavin Atkinson wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:48 +0100, Gavin Atkinson wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be quite easy to port

Re: Announcement: PmcTools callchain capture for RELENG_7

2008-09-23 Thread Fabien Thomas
Hello, A new patch is available that was done just after dtrace backport. You can find it like the previous one on the pmc wiki. It also include some new bugfix from head. Fabien Le 13 juil. 08 à 07:05, Joseph Koshy a écrit : Hello List(s), I am very pleased to announce a patch, by Fabien Th

Re: Possible UDP deadlock/panic fix

2008-09-23 Thread Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira
Hi, That seems to be working. I've been up and running for 7 hours now with your patch. The machine is a bit slow but I have both WITNESS and INVARIANTS enabled so as to make sure everything is fine. Rergads, Mario Robert Watson wrote: Attached is an MFC candidate for

Re: fxp multicast forwarding problems

2008-09-23 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:46:25AM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > Hi, > > Whilst doing some QA work on XORP on my desktop, which has fxp0 and > msk0, fxp0 got totally hosed. > I was running PIM-SM and IGMPv2 router-mode on the box at the time. > > I wonder if this is related to the problems with

fxp multicast forwarding problems

2008-09-23 Thread Bruce M Simpson
Hi, Whilst doing some QA work on XORP on my desktop, which has fxp0 and msk0, fxp0 got totally hosed. I was running PIM-SM and IGMPv2 router-mode on the box at the time. I wonder if this is related to the problems with fxp multicast transmission I saw back in April. I'm a bit concerned about

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-23 Thread Ian Smith
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Sep 21, 2008, at 1:57 AM, Robert Watson wrote: > > This is precisely what we already do -- we guarantee we will support the > > last release on a branch for 24 months after the release. The point of > > concern being discussed is that we can't tell you