Re: unsupported NVIDIA SATA controller

2008-09-22 Thread Andrey V. Elsukov
Joseph Olatt wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:14:0: class=0x010485 card=0x01371025 chip=0x07f810de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' class = mass storage subclass = RAID Do you still have this problem? It seems that your controller is AHCI-capable. I can make a patch

Re: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE panic rw_rlock (udpinp)

2008-09-22 Thread Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira
Hi, That seems to be working. I've been up and running for 2 hours now with your patch. The machine is a bit slow but I have both WITNESS and INVARIANTS enabled to make sure everything is fine. Rergads, Mario Robert Watson wrote: On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Mario Sergi

Re: can't see non-root writes to /dev/console

2008-09-22 Thread Carlos A. M. dos Santos
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Carlos A. M. dos Santos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Jeff Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I just upgraded a RELENG_7 (amd64) box from 20080714 to "latest" >> (which seems to be from a few days ago--no changes from Monday >> morn

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 22, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Robert Watson wrote: The key point here holds, however: I think we should not ever be in the position of telling people that support lifetime on a release has been reduced. I agree. However, there are other ways of doing this than to create overlapping window

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 22, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Doug Barton wrote: I'd also like to point out that there is another chicken-egg problem that has been glossed over in this thread. You have said many times that it's hard for a company to devote resources to testing a given release candidate without knowing in adva

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 22, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Robert Watson wrote: This is precisely what we already do -- we guarantee we will support the last release on a branch for 24 months after the release. The point of concern being discussed is that we can't tell you for sure which minor release will be the last r

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 22, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Robert Watson wrote: Long answer: we're under-manned for our current commitments, and have seen longer advisory cycles than we would like. My guess is that we could eat the first 25% of a person just catching up on current obligations so as to reduce latency on

Re: Release team resources

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 22, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Robert Watson wrote: I'm not sure I agree with this analysis ... Counting on my fingers, that's 7 FreeBSD-specific, 4 that lie in code we basically maintain, and 8 that are in externally maintained software. Seems like a pretty even split. Acknowledged

Re: Benefits of multiple release branches (Was: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...)

2008-09-22 Thread Dylan Cochran
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dylan Cochran wrote: >> One of the biggest (and most prominent, though not obviously so) >> issues is the lack of concurrency with regards to releases. With the >> default system, having multiple freebsd releases side by side

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Robert Watson wrote: I think you are using "last release" in a different way. "the last release" is always the most release release. Right now 6.3 will have support for longer than 6.4 will, which is the nature of the problem I raised. If you always supported the most

RE: Freebsd custom installation cd

2008-09-22 Thread yusuf özbilgin
I updated /usr/src with cvsup and recompiled the kernel This error still continue. :( System is 7.0-RELEASE. > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:13:16 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject:

Benefits of multiple release branches (Was: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...)

2008-09-22 Thread Doug Barton
Dylan Cochran wrote: > One of the biggest (and most prominent, though not obviously so) > issues is the lack of concurrency with regards to releases. With the > default system, having multiple freebsd releases side by side (both > different versions, and different architectures) is infeasible. This

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Doug Barton
Jo Rhett wrote: > On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Gary Palmer wrote: >> Or to put it another way, what to you is "support" in terms of >> FreeBSD releases. As far as I am aware, if you stick on a >> RELENG_X_Y_Z_RELEASE tag >> then the most you get is security fixes. No new features, >> no new driver

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote: On Sep 21, 2008, at 1:57 AM, Robert Watson wrote: This is precisely what we already do -- we guarantee we will support the last release on a branch for 24 months after the release. The point of concern being discussed is that we can't tell you for sure wh

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Robert Watson wrote: Lack of human resources, to use a vile term, is currently the limiting factor. What happens when that is cleared is another question, but in the end there aren't a whole lot of paths to greater efficiency

Re: Release team resources

2008-09-22 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote: I assumed not. I was curious to what extent outside people could help support the process, while leaving commits to the internal people. For example, for everything except the jail vulnerability in the last 4 years the security problems were related to t

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 22, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Robert Watson wrote: Lack of human resources, to use a vile term, is currently the limiting factor. What happens when that is cleared is another question, but in the end there aren't a whole lot of paths to greater efficiency here: ... This is an inherently man

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 21, 2008, at 1:57 AM, Robert Watson wrote: This is precisely what we already do -- we guarantee we will support the last release on a branch for 24 months after the release. The point of concern being discussed is that we can't tell you for sure which minor release will be the last r

Release team resources

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
Thank you for answering the resources problem in detail, I appreciate it. For what secteam support of the base system costs, it's mainly time for the members of the security team which is the cost. The more branches, the more time is required. This is not a linear cost and has multiple parts

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote: Again, what you are saying makes a lot of sense, and I have no problem with it. We're just missing the crucial bit -- what is it going to take to reach that goal? Regardless of commit bits, etc and such forth. Is 10 hours a week of one person enough? Doe

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 20, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: 2 years for each supported branch would be excellent, although I'm open to alternatives. Right now 6.4 will EoL before 6.3 will :-( Eh, where did you get that information? AFAIK the EoL date of 6.4 has not yet been decided (and I should kn

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Gary Palmer wrote: Actually Robert, to be fair to Jo, I suspect it is more proper to say "$COMPANY wants extended support lifetimes. What can I, or $COMPANY, do to help make that happen?". I think its been misinterpreted as Jo saying "Let me do the work". He has o

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Jo Rhett
On Sep 20, 2008, at 3:37 AM, Robert Watson wrote: The tension here is between making promises we can definitely keep and starting to make promises that we can't. We'd like to err on the former, rather than latter, side. Yes. This is well understood and I agree with those priorities. You a

Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule...

2008-09-22 Thread Freddie Cash
On September 19, 2008 09:41 pm Gary Palmer wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 07:38:32PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: > > Without input from the current release team extending the support > > schedule is not possible. > > Inquiry - is release team the constraint? > > Or to put it another way, what to you

iwn(4) (Intel 4965 wireless) backport (was: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware)

2008-09-22 Thread Gavin Atkinson
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:48 +0100, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > > > > This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be > > > quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If yo

Re: Installworld deletes libc

2008-09-22 Thread Paul B. Mahol
On 9/22/08, Jason C. Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: >> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:17:58AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: I have the problem similar to one described in 20071024 UPDATING. The build is running inside a jail. The system is

Unsupported Marvel 88SX6145 SATA controller

2008-09-22 Thread jv1967
Hi, I have an Asus P5BV-C/4L mainboard with two onboard SATA controllers. One of them, the Marvell 88SX6145, isn't support by FreeBSD 7. It seems to be detected as an ata controller: atapci0: port 0xec00-0xec07,0xe880-0xe883,0xe800-0xe807,0xe480-0xe483,0xe400-0xe40f mem 0xfbfffc00-0xfbff irq

Possible UDP deadlock/panic fix

2008-09-22 Thread Robert Watson
Attached is an MFC candidate for a patch I just merged to 8.x, which corrects the UDP lock recursion issue both of you were running into. If it settles well for a couple of days in HEAD then I'll go ahead and request an MFC from re@, but your confirmation as to whether or not this corrects th