At 05:46 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
I'd rather just drop this tangent.
Me too.
---Mike
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You could try formatting the floppy in a USB drive.
Someone was going to pick this up, finish it off, and commit it, but I
haven't heard back from them:
http://people.freebsd.org/~bms/dump/tools/ufdformat/
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I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, with the obvious
exception that I don't know what's involved in the release management
process to do as you've said.
Also for my own self, rather than resurrect 6.2 I'd personally rather
focus on what we could do to extend the support pe
Quoting Jo Rhett, who wrote on Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:58:00AM -0700 ..
> On Sep 18, 2008, at 5:46 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > You seem to be *demanding* quite a lot lately.
>
>
> I have demanded nothing. I have made a suggestion or two -- presented
> the background which pretty much everyone a
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:23:45PM -0700, Jo Rhett wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Robert Watson wrote:
> > (1) Become a contributor to the community by developing and
> > maintaining patches against unsupported branches, especially against
> > older releases such as 4.x and 5.x where the b
On Sep 18, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I had a search and I see some PRs you have submitted, but I guess
you commit under a different @freebsd.org email address ?
I don't commit. I submit and others commit. This hasn't really been
a handicap ;-)
Thats most excellent! I think pe
On Sep 18, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
I've kind of lost the drift, but it sounds to me as though Jo Rhett is
tentatively offering to take on extended support for 6.2, but not
earlier versions. Aside from programming skills, what would Jo need
to bring to the table in order to provid
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 05:03:05PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> At 04:13 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
>>> I am sorry, I meant, what have you contributed currently or in the
>>> past to FreeBSD ? i.e. what code, or money or physical resources
>>> (
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
We have no 4.x or 5.x systems nor do we have any interest in maintaining
those. So perhaps a good idea, but not something I can help with.
I *did* offer to work on maintenance for 6.2, but was told it would be
At 04:13 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I am sorry, I meant, what have you contributed currently or in the
past to FreeBSD ? i.e. what code, or money or physical resources
(hardware) or time testing code ?
I do a lot of testing and patches regar
Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> We have no 4.x or 5.x systems nor do we have any interest in
> maintaining those. So perhaps a good idea, but not something I can
> help with.
>
> I *did* offer to work on maintenance for 6.2, but was told it would be
> rejected by the developers. Would I e
On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I am sorry, I meant, what have you contributed currently or in the
past to FreeBSD ? i.e. what code, or money or physical resources
(hardware) or time testing code ?
I do a lot of testing and patches regarding components we use. Search
the
On Sep 18, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Robert Watson wrote:
Let's consider three more productive avenues by which you can
offer assistance with the problem of how to increase branch
support lifetimes:
(1) Become a contributor to the community by developin
At 03:39 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I am not familiar with your company nor any developers that work for
you. Perhaps you could elaborate on how you have contributed to
FreeBSD ?
In my $EMPLOYER the main proposal would be to dedicate more of
On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I am not familiar with your company nor any developers that work for
you. Perhaps you could elaborate on how you have contributed to
FreeBSD ?
This domain is my vanity domain, actually. Well not vanity but the
domain I use on the rare occa
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
And my e-mails have always discussed ways to get more resources.
Recently we even had a group of people trying to arrange for more
explicit corporate support for testing and release process. For
some reason unclear to me, not a single developer has step
At 03:11 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
committing that time. (besides the obvious "giving back to the
community part" which we do anyway)
I am not familiar with your company nor any developers that work for
you. Perhaps you could elaborate on how you have contributed to FreeBSD ?
On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Robert Watson wrote:
So far, this conversation has largely consisted of you telling us
that you don't like what we're doing and demanding that we change.
I'm not sure what is going on in your life to make you so defensive
that someone saying "I have resources, I
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
On Sep 18, 2008, at 6:32 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote:
Indeed, there is no easy solution. Extending support lifetime takes more
resources of course.
And my e-mails have always discussed ways to get more resources. Recently
we even had a group of people trying
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:05:43PM +0300, Oleg V. Nauman wrote:
> c) traceroute prints 0.00 like response time for every host
Interesting, since traceroute bases the RTT on the amount of time it
takes between the initial packet sent (see below) and the time it
receives the ICMP port unreachable re
First, thanks for taking the question seriously ;-)
On Sep 18, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Dylan Cochran wrote:
problem can't be solved just by extending time with the hope that the
resources will be allocated (no offense to your character, but that
No offense taken. I would never suggest we do anythin
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Oleg V. Nauman wrote:
It seems to be something is very wrong with UDP on latest RELENG_7
Well some symptoms I have seen today when I was trying to boot newly
compiled RELENG_7 on my laptop:
a) rc scripts indefinitely waiting on logger to be completed during the boot
( d
On Sep 18, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Freddie Cash wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems like Jo just wants to
argue
for the sake of arguing.
You are missing a lot. You're not reading even half of what I am
saying.
re: ignored. I don't ignore anything. If something is answered
On Sep 18, 2008, at 6:32 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote:
Indeed, there is no easy solution. Extending support lifetime takes
more
resources of course.
And my e-mails have always discussed ways to get more resources.
Recently we even had a group of people trying to arrange for more
explicit corp
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
Please stop avoiding even considering what people are offering to you.
So far, this conversation has largely consisted of you telling us that you
don't like what we're doing and demanding that we change. Let's consider
three more productive avenues by w
On Sep 18, 2008, at 5:46 AM, Wilko Bulte wrote:
You seem to be *demanding* quite a lot lately.
I have demanded nothing. I have made a suggestion or two -- presented
the background which pretty much everyone agrees with, made some
suggestions about how to improve it.
My last post was exp
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 08:32:50PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:18:45PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote:
> > Michel Talon wrote:
> > > John Baldwin wrote:
> > > > It looks like the ioctl to format a track used to never report
> > failures from
> > > > the controller. The
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:18:45PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote:
> Michel Talon wrote:
> > John Baldwin wrote:
> > > It looks like the ioctl to format a track used to never report failures
> from
> > > the controller. The newer driver does. What I've done with fdformat is
> to
> > > make it
Michel Talon wrote:
> John Baldwin wrote:
> > It looks like the ioctl to format a track used to never report failures
> > from
> > the controller. The newer driver does. What I've done with fdformat is
> > to
> > make it just ignore the errors in userland instead. Try this:
> >
> >
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I understand what you mean, but the statement is blatantly false as stated.
> Anyone selling software to the US Government *must* specify (or meet,
> depending) a minimum support period, and must also specify a cost the agency
It seems to be something is very wrong with UDP on latest RELENG_7
Well some symptoms I have seen today when I was trying to boot newly
compiled RELENG_7 on my laptop:
a) rc scripts indefinitely waiting on logger to be completed during
the boot ( devd and ifconfig are good examples)
b)
Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems like Jo just wants to argue
for the sake of arguing.
First Jo wrote:
>No other answer. But nobody has yet provided what the EoL period is
>going to be. I have no problems with a period being extended ;-) But
>the business needs to know the min
Quoting Jeremy Chadwick, who wrote on Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 06:18:40AM -0700 ..
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 02:46:09PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > Quoting Jo Rhett, who wrote on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 09:25:27PM -0700 ..
> > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Robert Watson wrote:
> > > > An important fact
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 02:46:09PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> Quoting Jo Rhett, who wrote on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 09:25:27PM -0700 ..
> > On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Robert Watson wrote:
> > > An important factor is whether or not we consider the release a
> > > highly maintainable release, and
Quoting Jo Rhett, who wrote on Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 09:25:27PM -0700 ..
> On Sep 17, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Robert Watson wrote:
> > An important factor is whether or not we consider the release a
> > highly maintainable release, and while we have intuitions at the
> > time of release, that's someth
Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 01:03:46PM -0400, Ed Maste wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 09:25:37AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 07:36:46AM -0400, Stephen Clark wrote:
I am trying to get a crash dump but am unable to with FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p2
[...]
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 05:13:39PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 September 2008 11:04:33 am Michel Talon wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > when testing FreeBSD-7.1-BETA i discovered that the floppy disk
> > controller doesn't work correctly. Trying to format a floppy (perhaps
> > with bad b
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