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Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Simmons
I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. ___ freebsd-security@freebsd

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via freebsd-security
Why remove telnet and FTP? Sure--it's insecure if you're using it over the internet, but I use it on my laptop at least a few times per year. I have a small 8-port switch where I plug in my laptop, then plug in an APC UPS and access it via telnet (and use FTP as well) to upgrade the firmware from

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Wednesday, 24 July 2019, Robert Simmons wrote: Lolz, right? :- > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. Because nobody has a 32bit computer nowadays??? Similarly, you got any emp

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Luke Crooks
Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and software technologies, still very much in use today. Luke Crooks Solent Wholesale Carpets On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, wrote: > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it.

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Simmons
I am and am not. Ubuntu has made this choice recently. I doubt I am alone in my thinking. I fully expected instant pushback on both suggestions. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 13:29 Luke Crooks wrote: > Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and > software technologies, still very

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Simmons
The safer part of my speculation is specifically based on being less code to maintain overall. More resources devoted to a smaller code base. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 1:26 PM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 24 July 2019, Robert Simmons wrote: > > Lolz, right? :- > > > I wonder if FreeB

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via freebsd-security
Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to community outcry. (https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/) If your reason for wanting to drop support is "Ubuntu is doing it", my response would be "cool story bro". Can you state what you are trying to accomplish by d

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Simmons
Yes, to reduce the code base complexity so that resources can be focused on a smaller code base. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 3:06 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to community > outcry. (https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/

RE: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Wall, Stephen
> From: owner-freebsd-secur...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > secur...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Aaron C. de Bruyn via freebsd- > security > Subject: Re: Old Stuff > >On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Simmons wrote: > >> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via freebsd-security
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 12:09 PM Robert Simmons wrote: > Yes, to reduce the code base complexity so that resources can be focused > on a smaller code base. > That seems like several completely different arguments. Codebase complexity, available resources, and "a smaller code base". So why does

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Niels Kobschätzki
I have the feeling that the FreeBSD-userbase and the Ubuntu-userbase differs. And the rollback is probably mostly because Steam threatened to drop support for Ubuntu. Does FreeBSD have a native Steam-client? Loosing wine-support might hurt but my guess is that it still wouldn't be that bad. I'd pre

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Robert Simmons
You're correct. I did make two separate suggestion in the same email. My suggestion about ftp and telnet is not based on code base complexity. I'm only using that argument for dropping 32bit. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:17 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 12:09 PM Robert Simmo

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
"Wall, Stephen" writes: >> From: owner-freebsd-secur...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> secur...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Aaron C. de Bruyn via freebsd- >> security >> Subject: Re: Old Stuff >> >>On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:58 AM Robert Simmons wrote: >> >>> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message Robert Simmons wrote: >I am and am not. Ubuntu has made this choice recently. I doubt I am alone >in my thinking. I fully expected instant pushback on both suggestions. Ubuntu removed telnet and ftp?? Somebody alert the media. Regards, rfg _

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Eugene Grosbein
24.07.2019 23:57, Robert Simmons wrote: > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Not yet. > Clean out and remove all of it. It should make the code base easier to > maintain, cleaner, and safer. And it would impossible to run FreeBSD for 32 bit platforms such as MIPS32 or i386-base

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Dan Langille
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Robert Simmons wrote: > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove all > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and safer. > > In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. Please

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Eugene Grosbein
25.07.2019 1:46, Robert Simmons wrote: > I am and am not. Ubuntu has made this choice recently. I doubt I am alone > in my thinking. I fully expected instant pushback on both suggestions. Why do you refer to Ubuntu? They don't have many tools in their base that real networking unix box must have

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Cy Schubert
On July 24, 2019 12:09:12 PM PDT, Robert Simmons wrote: >Yes, to reduce the code base complexity so that resources can be >focused on >a smaller code base. > >On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 3:06 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn >wrote: > >> Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to >community

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 at 20:09, Robert Simmons wrote: > > Yes, to reduce the code base complexity so that resources can be focused on > a smaller code base. > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 3:06 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn > wrote: > > > Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to community

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Cy Schubert
On July 24, 2019 10:29:12 AM PDT, Luke Crooks wrote: >Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and >software >technologies, still very much in use today. > > > >Luke Crooks >Solent Wholesale Carpets > >On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, wrote: > >> I wonder if FreeBS

Re: Old Stuff

2019-07-24 Thread Cy Schubert
In message , Cy Schubert wr ites: > On July 24, 2019 10:29:12 AM PDT, Luke Crooks wrot > e: > >Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and > >software > >technologies, still very much in use today. > > > > > > > >Luke Crooks > >Solent Wholesale Carpets > > > >On Wed, 24 Jul