Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Brett Glass
At 05:25 PM 3/9/2016, Sergej Schmidt wrote: In which way ASLR has something to do with security by obscurity? ASLR attempts to create security by obscuring the locations of objects within the machine's address space. Critics of ASLR say (with some justification!) that this is just hiding the

Re: openssl bug causes sshd crashed on FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE

2016-03-09 Thread Akihiro HIRANO
On 2016/03/09 23:01, Peter wrote: A much worse problem, for me at least, is that 9.3-RELEASE-p37 makes apache crash with signal 11. As far as I know, a web server on 9.3-RELEASE-p37 works fine if installed by the following step. (1) Install security/openssl from ports (2) Install apache from p

Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Sergej Schmidt
> ASLR is controversial. Some see it as "security by obscurity;" others see > it as extremely useful and effective. In which way ASLR has something to do with security by obscurity? Imho this is a standard security feature of a modern OS. Regards, Sergej signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digi

Re: openssl bug causes sshd crashed on FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE

2016-03-09 Thread Dimitry Andric
On 09 Mar 2016, at 23:59, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > Akihiro HIRANO writes: >> Frank Möller writes: >>> After updating to FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p37 sshd from the base system >>> crashes by signal 11 when I connect to the server with an old ssh >>> client (e.g. OpenSSH_4.5p1). Using a newer s

Re: openssl bug causes sshd crashed on FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE

2016-03-09 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Akihiro HIRANO writes: > Frank Möller writes: > > After updating to FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p37 sshd from the base system > > crashes by signal 11 when I connect to the server with an old ssh > > client (e.g. OpenSSH_4.5p1). Using a newer ssh client versions > > (e.g. OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 from FreeBSD 9.

Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Shawn Webb
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 10:21:42AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > ASLR is controversial. Some see it as "security by obscurity;" others see > it as extremely useful and effective. > > Yes, I would like it as a kernel build option, so that I can choose to > optimize for raw speed (e.g. on a server whi

Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Brett Glass
ASLR is controversial. Some see it as "security by obscurity;" others see it as extremely useful and effective. Yes, I would like it as a kernel build option, so that I can choose to optimize for raw speed (e.g. on a server which is hardened in other ways) or for the extra warm fuzzies that ASLR

Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Shawn Webb
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 04:39:37PM +, Big Lebowski wrote: > Shawn, > > Please, note, that I said, these are the things I've heard, and there > should be people able to answer those better. As such, you should consider > them to be opinion, not pure facts. > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:22 PM, S

Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Big Lebowski
Shawn, Please, note, that I said, these are the things I've heard, and there should be people able to answer those better. As such, you should consider them to be opinion, not pure facts. On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Shawn Webb wrote: > (Responding inline) > > On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 04:05:1

Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Shawn Webb
(Responding inline) On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 04:05:12PM +, Big Lebowski wrote: > Hi Piotr, > > There are people who can probably answer it better, but until they do, I > can share what I've heard about it: on the FreeBSD side there are few > things that stop ASLR implementation: > > - there's

Re: Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Big Lebowski
Hi Piotr, There are people who can probably answer it better, but until they do, I can share what I've heard about it: on the FreeBSD side there are few things that stop ASLR implementation: - there's no actual agreement between the influencial developers on wether ASLR is viable or needed in fir

Will 11.0-RELEASE include ASLR?

2016-03-09 Thread Piotr Kubaj
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Shawn Webb has recently announced that ASLR is complete on HardenedBSD. There are patches ready for FreeBSD to use and it's ready to be shipped in FreeBSD. However, for some reason FreeBSD developers do not want to ship ASLR in FreeBSD. Why can't it

Re: openssl bug causes sshd crashed on FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE

2016-03-09 Thread Peter
On Wed, Mar 09, 2016 at 09:32:34PM +0900, Akihiro HIRANO wrote: > Hi, > > On 2016/03/09 19:59, Frank Möller wrote: > >I got the same problem here. > > > >After updating to FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p37 sshd from the base system crashes > >by signal 11 > > when I connect to the server with an old ssh cl

Re: openssl bug causes sshd crashed on FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE

2016-03-09 Thread Akihiro HIRANO
Hi, On 2016/03/09 19:59, Frank Möller wrote: I got the same problem here. After updating to FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p37 sshd from the base system crashes by signal 11 > when I connect to the server with an old ssh client (e.g. OpenSSH_4.5p1). Using a newer ssh client versions (e.g. OpenSSH_6.6.1

Re: openssl bug causes sshd crashed on FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE

2016-03-09 Thread Frank Möller
Hello, I got the same problem here. After updating to FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p37 sshd from the base system crashes by signal 11 when I connect to the server with an old ssh client (e.g. OpenSSH_4.5p1). Using a newer ssh client versions (e.g. OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 from FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p10) the sshd