At 06:08 PM 1.11.2003 -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
>"Jack L. Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I know there's been a lot of questions lately about broken ports and now
>> I'm stuck. I cannot find this specific problem in the past recent archives.
At 12:03 PM 1.12.2003 +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 12:01:44PM -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>> At 05:44 PM 1.11.2003 +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>> >On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 11:31:22AM -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>> >> I just updated from FBSD-
At 12:02 PM 1.12.2003 -0500, JoeB wrote:
>At 12:03 PM 1.12.2003 +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>>On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 12:01:44PM -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>> At 05:44 PM 1.11.2003 +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
>>> >On Sat, Jan 11, 2003 at 11:31:22AM -0600, Jack
it disable
>remote access. Can anyone tell me what I might have done and how I can
>re-enable remote access to this box?
>
>Thanks
>Jeff LaMarche
>
You probably need to enable the services lines for ftp and ftp in
/etc/inetd.conf and restart inetd.
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it disable
>remote access. Can anyone tell me what I might have done and how I can
>re-enable remote access to this box?
>
>Thanks
>Jeff LaMarche
>
Whoops! I meant "ftp and telnet" not "ftp and ftp" although you've
probably know this by now.
Best
then make the ports again. Or install
>portupgrade and let it do all the detail work for you.
>
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you add the COMPATX3=yes
to the "make.conf" file...??? Important to know this as well
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ted. I have successfully downloaded all of the other ISO images
>without any problems. How can I get the disk 2 ISO image?
>
>Please advise.
>
>Thanks you,
>
>Griffith B. Randel
>
Have you tried another download source...???
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At 07:31 PM 1.16.2003 -0500, Doug Reynolds wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:31:22 -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>
>>I just updated from FBSD-4.5 to 4.7 on a server running apache_fp.1.26. The
>>update somehow has broken the FP extensions (ugh!). I have tried a number
>>of fixe
At 10:24 PM 1.16.2003 -0500, Doug Reynolds wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:52:33 -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>
>>>>I'm also seeing the "__stderrp" error in my httpd-error.log whenever I try
>>>>to login to FP. So, something has changed in the FBSD-4.5-
vised to replace with a better NIC. Linksys cards are
commonly known for this issue and apparently is just not able to "shift
gears" well enough. It may be having problems shifting to full duplex.
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>Bill Moran
I supect the earlier poster was right about reading the UPDATING document
at /usr/src/UPDATING. The "...Undefined symbol "__stderrp" pertains to the
release notes righ at the top of the DOC about the COMPAT3X. You will need
to add "COMPATX3= yes" to your make
machine,
but the dumb ones will not. The slaves are attached to the dumb UPSes for
continuations of power, but the SmartUPS tells each slave what to do and
when to shut down. Each slave must have an apcupsd daemon installed,
running and configured to communicate with the master over the network for
thi
lot of time falling for the "cable" bit.
Dumb UPSes are useful for keeping the machines going until you or a master
machine can tell it to shut down gracefully
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At 09:15 AM 1.20.2003 -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack L. Stone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
>> At 02:05 AM 1.20.2003 +0100, Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
>> I have been asking WHY have a cable with a dumb UPS for a long time and yet
>> to get
ewfs -U /dev/ad2s1a
Are there some incompatibility changes or different switches for 4.4 that I
missed...???
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At 03:12 PM 1.21.2003 -0600, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>I ran into a snag using my HD backup script that works like a charm on
>FBSD-4.5-4.7, but won't when I just tried it on 4.4. The script uses Fdisk,
>Disklabel and Newfs. Seems to fdisk & disklabel okay, but when I try to
>th
ot; so the "logfile turned over" line does't
confuse anything, but no dice on correcting the naming. See it happening on
most logs, not just Apache logs.
Can newsyslog be tweaked to make this go back and stay there?
I see this on most if not all machines been wondering and goo
ie both drives) I need
>to install windows, copy images from the FreeBSD machine then boot of
>rescue disks.
>
I use the VERITAS backup utility that comes with Win2K to backup (file type
backup) directly to a FBSD machine over Samba connection retores just
fine.
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includes all security
updates
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command:
# sysctl kern.maxfiles
...then, you can change it with this:
#sysctl -w kern.maxfiles=4160 (...or whatever works best)
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rs have 1GB of RAM
and higher and the lowest number I have is 8192 and some are at 12000+ (my
kernels are set to zero for max users), all ascertained by the system
itself. I've seen other settings suggested, but with the "0" max users
setting in the kernel using FBSD-4.7 (didn't
ED]]
>>
BTW, in looking at the tuning(7), it specifically says this about maxfiles.
Note the "typically a few thousand" setting:
The kern.maxfiles sysctl determines how many open files the system sup-
ports. The default is typically a few thousand but you may need to bump
nd.
>
>Suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Dave
>
If you use "date" as follows, it will take it out to the month, day, hour
and minute
cp ../file.conf`date +".%m.%d.%H.%M"`
...will give:
file.conf.02.06.04.45
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At 11:32 AM 7.23.2002 -1000, Gary Dunn wrote:
>On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 06:50, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>> At 12:31 PM 7.23.2002 -0400, Bertel, Markus R wrote:
>> >23
>> >Jul 02
>> >
>> >De
per second
Limiting open port RST response from 281 to 200 packets per second
Limiting open port RST response from 264 to 200 packets per second
Limiting open port RST response from 226 to 200 packets per second
What is this Open port
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At 05:15 PM 7.23.2002 -0500, Tim wrote:
>On Tuesday 23 July 2002 05:11 pm, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>> Running FBSD 4.5-RELEASE
>>
>> Just looked at "dmesg" and noticed this at the end of the output:
>> Limiting open port RST response from 261 to 200 packets
At 11:50 AM 9.18.2002 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
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>
>> Am running FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE
>
>Updating might help; there are some changes to the ATA code which I
>think *might* be relevant. Don't do that first,
ing to
remove on next compile of the kernel.
What uses do you have in mind. Maybe I'll leave it in if really useful for
some other app.
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rd output
DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
cannot open /dev/tty: Device not configured <= THIS...
DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
DUMP: estimated 52678 tape blocks.
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he ones that do not are attached to dumb UPS
backups, but are still told what to do by the APC master machines i.e.,
shutdown or continue.
So, I have not jumped into this because it is complicated enough without
trying to discuss accross different daemons
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d Power
Management
device apm0at nexus? flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management
==>to the rc.conf -- add the line below
apm_enable="YES"
After you reboot, you should be able to use "shutdown -p now" and it will
turn off the machine. Look at the dmesg after the boot
ot;, doesn't apcupsd
exit (along with the other shutdowns) and stop monitoring..??? Or, am I
missing something here (probably)?
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gt;Petri
Okay, I DON'T want my machines to reboot automatically after the power
down so, guess I'm configured okay to suit my intentions. But I'll
remember this if and when I want the machines to boot by themselves
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One machine did not survive the abuse and it fried the
motherboard and damaged one memory strip beyond reliability. So, no thanks
to the unattended restarts after being in the trenches like this. It only
happens once oe twice in a year, but ONCE is more than enough for me!!
If you don't have thi
olks waste days trying to make the dumbies communicate just
because they got the cable with the new unit.
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th the genericups driver.
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Thanks for the tips on the settings. On the other subject of the dumb UPS,
all of the machines are running the apcupsd deamons. They are set to either
Masters or slaves. The masters tell the slaves (running dumb UPS) to shut
down accordin
0. If larger, then
that larger portion will be unusable.
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At 05:16 PM 9.30.2002 -0400, Rob Ellis wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 03:55:36PM -0500, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>> At 03:50 PM 9.30.2002 -0500, Pranav A. Desai wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi all!
>> >
>> >Can I use something like
>> >
>> >dd
it be
>specific.
>
>Thanks
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44 128.00 191 23.89 0 0 5 0 95
0 44 128.00 191 23.88 0 0 7 1 92
As you can see, it's really doing 128 kB transfers, for an average transfer
rate of almost 24 MB/s
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hown me a program to mount ext2fs,
>> does anybody know about a similar tool for BSD ?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>Can't help with your question, but I'd like to know which tool you were
>shown to mount ext2fs into a windows install.
>
>Thanks - JB
>
;man ipfw and search for "icmptypes" .
>
>---
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>______
but if you still want to ping OUT....
${fwcmd} add pass icmp from any to any icmptypes 8 out via ${oif}
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ept the CD-ROM???
Need more info from you...
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At 09:41 PM 10.5.2002 +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>On 2002-10-05 08:51, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>> At 03:41 PM 10.5.2002 +0200, Patrick O'Reilly wrote:
>> >From: "master" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > hi all i would like to know the syntax
gt;>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Rus
>>
>> --
If you don't mind first deinstalling the old port, then a simple way is to:
# pkg_delete
...then cd /usr/ports/foo_2:
#make install clean
You are now up to date.
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At 12:54 PM 10.7.2002 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:49:23 -0500
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>> At 12:21 PM 10.7.2002 -0700, John Kozubik wrote:
>> >
>> >Rus
e good URLs with info on
setting up such a server for this and won't interfere with the router and
external DNS setups...???
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he
source
>tarball when using the make command in /usr/ports. What else needs to be
open
>for the make command to work?
>
>Thank you,
>Michelle
>
>
I believe it likes to use port 5999 for cvsuping.
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able to
just click and get the domains from the outside IP address. Let me know if
you find out an easy way to configue the nameserver. No problem doing that
to the main server. It's just the "aliases" to other machines that we have
the trouble.
I've looked at some info on in
is
>problem?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Vincent Chen
>
How about just changing NICs???
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Although this will be debated by other opinions, it is recommended that a
swap be set up at 2X your physical memory -- or 2G in your case -- versus
only 128MB which sounds low in any case
Check the handbook on this section on setting up swap and also about adding
more.
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It may have to do with the fact that the last time I
>> mounted the floppy I turned off the computer without
>> umount ing it. Thanks for you help.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
I see no one else has taken a shot at this, so:
1) do you have a directory "/mnt/floppy"
2)
y gripe about the bad fstab line, but ignore it
Then go to /etc/fstab and edit the file
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At 09:16 PM 10.13.2002 -0700, Wayne Lubin wrote:
>
>--- "Jack L. Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 08:28 PM 10.13.2002 -0700, Wayne Lubin wrote:
>> >So I guess my question is what does it mean that
>> >/dev/fd0 is not configured and how c
ot;open" will make your system set up wide open and can
be useful when debugging the rc.firewall script and the kernel has been
compiled to "deny all". If you want to the rc.firewall to load and bee
effective though, you must modify it for your own use, incuding the proper
desi
At 12:32 AM 10.16.2002 +0700, budsz wrote:
>On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 10:30:18AM -0500, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>Designating the type "open" will make your system set up wide open and can
>>be useful when debugging the rc.firewall script and the kernel has been
>>comp
>thanks for ideas or pointers to the applicable FM.
>
>Darryl
>
Darryl: If your ports are ups to date and has the version of PHP you want.
Just goto:
# cd /var/db/pkg
# pkg_delete
# cd /usr/ports/path_to_php
# make install clean
Should do it.
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#x27;t want to deal
with the Sendmail 8.12.x changes yet that will affect my mail server and
majordomo. So, there will be some configuring *pains* to deal with and need
to be ready for and it may hamper and extend the downtime well beyond
the 10 minutes if you don't first test on another machine IMHO
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t vulnerable.
Also, am running 4.5-RELEASE p-20 which is right up to date with security
patches. I don't track STABLE. but do track all security patches and update
as and when they come out so, one doesn't have to upgrade above 4.5 to
have the security.
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not configured
>
>thanks.
>
Here's how mine works:
mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
Of course, I have a directory "floppy" in /mnt
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>> as root and I still get
>>
>> /dev/fd0: Device not configured
>
>Try fdisk /dev/fd0 or fdisk fd0 cant remember which one then try
>mount_msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt
>
Well, if the fd0 isn't loading up at boot, ya can't mount it something
wrong with the flo
onsult your BIOS (or your MB manual)
and look for an enabled feature, such as audio or video.
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gt;
I have noticed that some CD-ROM drives will make the system think it is on
a non-compliant cable or UDMA33. For instance, this from dmesg on one
machine with an older CD_ROM drive.
"ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable" If I change
to a newer CD player, it
ve on
the same cable that is fooling the system, that will do it. From a
machine's dmesg:
ad0: 38166MB [77545/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100
ad1: 12971MB [26354/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA66
ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
The cable IS compliant, but if I change th
At 11:09 AM 10.23.2002 -0400, Jim Durham wrote:
>Jack L. Stone wrote:
>> At 09:28 AM 10.23.2002 +0200, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:
>>
>>>Steve Warwick wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey all,
>>>>
>>>>I wonder if anyone can te
;> - Added a UDMA66 HD in place of the CD and the bus was limited to UDMA33
>>
>> - Swapped the placement of the UDMA100 Master and the UDMA66 Slave on the
>> bus and all items were recognized correctly. Master is now last on the
>> chain.
>>
>>
>> hth
How do I get newfs "for real"? This is an ugly mess.
>>
>>
>> -r
>>
Just go back into /stand/sysinstall and "D" delete the whole slice. "W" to
write, then exit out back to the console. Reload /stand/sysinstall and then
"A" for all
incremental
Thursday dump 4 incremental
Friday dump 5 incremental
Saturday dump 6 incremental
If the above is incorrect, I will appreciate being corrected
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tDefaultBitmaps-4.2.0 = up-to-date with port
XFree86-fontEncodings-4.2.0 = up-to-date with port
XFree86-fontScalable-4.2.0 = up-to-date with port
XFree86-libraries-4.2.1_2 = up-to-date with port
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At 07:51 AM 10.22.2002 -0700, David Varieur wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:42:05 -0500
>"Jack L. Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On all of the production boxes, I am running 4.5-RELEASE p-20 and have been
>> waiting to take the plunge on 4.7 after it se
At 10:06 AM 10.22.2002 -0500, Drew Raines wrote:
>Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>
>> What did I do wrong that started this alavanche of XFree
>> installs...??
>
>Did you choose a distribution set starting with X-? (X-Kern-,
>X-User-, etc.)
>
>-Drew
>
No, I start
At 10:06 AM 10.22.2002 -0500, Drew Raines wrote:
>Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>
>> What did I do wrong that started this alavanche of XFree
>> installs...??
>
>Did you choose a distribution set starting with X-? (X-Kern-,
>X-User-, etc.)
>
>-Drew
>
Drew:
Well, maybe a "newbie" will benefit or someone late at night & tired.
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for prime time yet.
I use majordomo which does the job well... (of course I will tout what I
use!) it's easy to operate and has a solid performance record. Plus, it's
free too if the is part of the criteria.
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l claims the numbers are incorrect. What do I
>do now?
>
>--
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>
Have you tried ignoring the complaint and finishing the FDISKing and
Labeling? That will probably work okay.
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;
>Hope that helps
>
>Marc
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It's also "locked schg" and you will have to chflags noschg before removing:
dr-xr-xr-x 2 rootwheel schg 512 Oct 9 07:42 empty/
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>>
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>make NOCLEANDEPENDS=YES distclean
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Have you yet tried the utility portupgrade? If so, it has the tool:
#portsclean -DD
s left behind from installs over
installs.
I don't have the luxuary of the time to write a script or look for those
many dependancies. The script has already been written in portupgrade and
its tools. But, I understand reluctance to try something new -- that was me
and my decision.
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e) and it's the largest Italian provider, I hope you have not
>blacklisted it!
>
>Regards
>
>Paolo
>
That ISP is on my blacklist talk to them or change ISPs
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unning at ATA/33, just without DMA).
>
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Well, then what does the jumper settings on modern drives for "Master with
non-ATA compatible sleave" mean in regard to the above speed limits...???
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ives for "Master with
>non-ATA compatible sleave" mean in regard to the above speed limits...???
>
Ooops! That should be "...slave NOT sleave...""
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rks for me
on all FBSD and Windows boxen. Others swear by NUT. It's a matter of
preference I guess. Both are similar in function I believe.
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At 04:59 PM 10.22.2002 -0500, DaleCo, S.P.---'the solutions people' wrote:
>From: "Jack L. Stone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Marko Cuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:07 AM
>Subject: Re:
t file.
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>Thanks for your time.
>
>--
>David Smithson - Systems Administrator
>Custom Film Effects (http://www.customfilmeffects.com)
>
How about:
# script infile # captures to a file named "infile"
...then run your script and view output
# exit
# more infile # giv
pgrade.tgz'
>by URL
>
>Thanks
>
Gather you don't use ports & cvsup? Easy to get and would include/install
the portupgrade.
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>fix
>> > this.
>> >
>> >
Try cding to "/" and running #df to see if a floppy is mounted. If so,
#umount the floppy using the floppy device shown in above df info...
That will free up the device so you can rerun your script
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At 10:50 AM 10.27.2002 -0500, Michael Sharp wrote:
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>Anyone know of a decent, free NFS client for win32 that can access exports
>from my fbsd nfsd?
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Don't know about "NFS", but me know Samba i
amount of
> > content in MB's or whatever that I can use? Thanks in advance
>
> How big a hard disk can you afford? :-)
>
> Kevin Kinsey
> DaleCo, S.P.
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If the domain hosting is important, "cheapest" is not the top of priority
for making the choice.
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tree. Root of all users. Root of the machine.
>>
>> Tradition.
>
>Maybe I was reading into it just a bit too deep then... ;)
>
>>
I always related it to "running as root" which has "root" access to the
"root" of the system, or the "
/sh
# Floppy drive
/sbin/umount /mnt/floppy
/sbin/mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
cd /mnt/floppy
ls
Don't forget to umount /mnt/floppy.
I also made a similar script for the cdrom mount. "mountcd"
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clean
>
>but php4 doesnt work ...is ther some flags or options that need to be put
>in ??
>Thanx
>Brent
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Did you activate the php.ini usually found in /usr/local/etc...???
On install, it is named "php.ini-dist". you need to edit that file for
your paths.
Bes
/usr/local/etc...??? On
>>> install, it is named "php.ini-dist". you need to edit that file
>>> for your paths.
>>>
Just copy php.ini-dist to php.ini
Then edit the lines to suit your system setup this may or may not solve
your problem, but I needed it.
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but what I had to edit/enter
>was
>> given to me by the mod_php4 build output.
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>An SSL-aware Apache?
>
>KDK
>
Yes, the server is running SSL may be the diff...
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are the largest and need to be addressed?
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>Thanks in advance,
>REM
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Just cd to / and issue the simple command:
du -h
or more complicated output with kb sizes
du -s * | sort -n
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arious mail servers are blocking any domains which they
think may be a source of spam, or attempted relays. Doesn't even mean YOU
were the one doing it -- could be your email address or domain has been
hijacked, a fairly common thing these days. Has nothing to do with BSD or
any other OS thoug
entry would I add to ipfw?
>>
>>Does anyone know what vulnerability this might be? How to stop
>>permanently?
>>
Get the IP of the spammer if possible. I've had to use a total block like
this:
# DENY INTRUDER through external interface
#${fwcmd} add deny all
At 12:16 AM 11.10.2002 -0600, W. D. wrote:
>At 21:17 11/9/2002, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>At 03:04 AM 11.10.2002 +0100, Gustaf Sjoberg wrote:
>>>On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 15:13:09 -0600
>>>"W. D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>either block
At 12:16 AM 11.10.2002 -0600, W. D. wrote:
>At 21:17 11/9/2002, Jack L. Stone wrote:
>>At 03:04 AM 11.10.2002 +0100, Gustaf Sjoberg wrote:
>>>On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 15:13:09 -0600
>>>"W. D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>either block
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