Re: root /etc/csh

2008-11-16 Thread perryh
> > > > ... Why doesn't FreeBSD ship bash and other shells besides > > > > the `sh' linked statically is beyond me. It wouldn't break > > > > ports, would it? > > > > > > It does break ports. Very, very badly. I know because I've > > > personally attempted replacing /bin/sh with bash as a "I hav

large binary, why not strip ?

2008-11-16 Thread Masoom Shaikh
most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk stripping em all reduces their size dramatically I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? do I miss anything ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list ht

Re: root /etc/csh

2008-11-16 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:20:26PM +0100, Polytropon typed: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:49:35 -0800 (PST), GESBBB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > By the way, this also works with Perl as you no doubt know. I > > cannot count how many times I have installed a Perl script and > > then had to modify th

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Da Rock
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 16:39 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > >> > >> On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, peter wrote: > >> > Dear sirs > >> > > >> > please can you help me i am tota

Re: large binary, why not strip ?

2008-11-16 Thread Matthew Seaman
Masoom Shaikh wrote: most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk stripping em all reduces their size dramatically I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? do I miss anything ? Yes. Binaries installed from the ports system /are/ already strippe

Port Linux Driver

2008-11-16 Thread weinter.lim
Hi I have posted I am installing FreeBSD 7.1 Beta 2 on my laptop model Acer Aspire 4530 1) Atheros AR5B91 is not detected Does anyone know how to get the drivers or patch it [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:0: class=0x05 card=0x014a1025 chip=0x075410de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp'

Re: root /etc/csh

2008-11-16 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:22:11AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 3) You can build bash statically; make WITH_STATIC_BASH=true. I do > > not know the true reason why the port is not built statically by > > default, but I can give you a damn good reason why it shouldn't be: > > complete and to

Re: Port Linux Driver

2008-11-16 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:35:07AM -0800, weinter.lim wrote: > Hi > I have posted > > I am installing FreeBSD 7.1 Beta 2 on my laptop model Acer Aspire 4530 > 1) Atheros AR5B91 is not detected > Does anyone know how to get the drivers or patch it > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:11:0:0: class=0x028000 card=

Could not lock the file "/var/tmp/gconf-test-locking-file-blah"

2008-11-16 Thread chrisa
Hello, I've installed FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0 on an Acer Aspire 5100 laptop, and Gnome errors out when I try to start it. The kernel was compiled with no ehci support in order to get the laptop to not freeze on shutdown after syncing the disks, but there are no other major changes. I've installed g

Re: large binary, why not strip ?

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
most of the programs installed from ports have large binary size on disk stripping em all reduces their size dramatically I cannot see the reason for not stripping them by default ? me too do I miss anything ? no. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and (sometimes) from linux to FreeBSD. But not from Windows. Come on, lose your thickness and let the guy be free from Vista. I DO NOT say "don't free from microsoft"! you may change Toyota to Nissan, and just sit down and drive. But you can't change windoze to unix without learning unix fr

gcc-4.3.3 problem

2008-11-16 Thread Robin Becker
I'm trying to run some benchmarks for a modified version of Python 2.5.2, unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC so I have installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. When I try to run my make command I'm seeing this error *** WARNING: renaming "_codecs_hk" since importing

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
no - because it's not alternative for Windows Vista. He is trying to get out of Vista, not trying to be Vista with another name. well this is a big difference. XP is few years less of f...ng up software :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing l

Re: Port Linux Driver

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I have posted I am installing FreeBSD 7.1 Beta 2 on my laptop model Acer Aspire 4530 1) Atheros AR5B91 is not detected Does anyone know how to get the drivers or patch it try ndisgen and windoze driver. it may work. actually it work very often ___ fr

HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0

2008-11-16 Thread Yony Yossef
Hi All, I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for my driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device on linux) I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 there's no ioctl informing the driver of vlan addition/removal.

Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem

2008-11-16 Thread Robin Becker
Robin Becker wrote: I'm trying to run some benchmarks for a modified version of Python 2.5.2, unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC so I have installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. When I try to run my make command I'm seeing this error *** WARNING: renaming "_codecs

Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem

2008-11-16 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:17:32PM +, Robin Becker wrote: > Robin Becker wrote: >> I'm trying to run some benchmarks for a modified version of Python >> 2.5.2, unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC >> so I have installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. >> >> When I try

Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0

2008-11-16 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:03:54PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for my > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device on > linux) > > I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 t

Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0

2008-11-16 Thread Yony Yossef
> > > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for > my > > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device > on > > linux) > > > > I understood from previous investigation that on FreeBSD 6.3 and 7.0 > there's > > no ioctl informing the driver of

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Polytropon
Excuse me for entering this discussin. You're completely right in what you're saying, and I'ld like to add this: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:03:45 -0500, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, let him learn a meaningful server environment. FreeBSD isn't a "server only OS", it's versatile an

Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0

2008-11-16 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:27:36PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > > > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for > > my > > > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device > > on > > > linux) > > > > > > I understood from previous investigation t

Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Smith
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: >I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the >problem persists: >0056626 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any >65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established >65535 00

Re: Problems with Xfce & console

2008-11-16 Thread Nikola Lečić
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:35:32 +0100 Bernt Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nikola Lečić said the following on 2008-11-15 17:13: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:43:06 +0100 > > Bernt Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> For me it's just xf

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 01:00:34PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>and (sometimes) from linux to FreeBSD. > >> > >>But not from Windows. > > > >Come on, lose your thickness and let the guy be free from Vista. > > I DO NOT say "don't free from microsoft"! > > you may change Toyota to Nissan, an

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:21:27PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 16:39 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:00:23AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 11:58 +0100, pe

top incorrectly reporting process time

2008-11-16 Thread Ott Köstner
Hello, On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: # top -bUmysql last pid: 99112; load averages: 0.22, 0.12, 0.09 up 2+06:07:05 16:17:43 132 processes: 1 running, 131 sleeping Mem: 718M Active, 2494M Inact, 455M Wired, 77M Cache, 214M Buf, 213M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 4096M

top incorrectly reporting process time

2008-11-16 Thread Ott Köstner
Hello, On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: # top -bUmysql last pid: 99112; load averages: 0.22, 0.12, 0.09 up 2+06:07:05 16:17:43 132 processes: 1 running, 131 sleeping Mem: 718M Active, 2494M Inact, 455M Wired, 77M Cache, 214M Buf, 213M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 4

Re: top incorrectly reporting process time

2008-11-16 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: > On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: What FreeBSD version? (It matters) > # top -bUmysql > last pid: 99112; load averages: 0.22, 0.12, 0.09 up 2+06:07:05 > 16:17:43 > 132 processes: 1 running, 131 sleeping >

Re: top incorrectly reporting process time

2008-11-16 Thread Ott Köstner
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 04:34:01PM +0200, Ott Köstner wrote: On several FreeBSD machines I have the following problem: What FreeBSD version? (It matters) 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD But I can experience it also on a 7.0 machine. Seems that top reports incorrectl

Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:47:14PM +0100, Fabian Keil wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:37:26 +0100, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > > > Do any of you guys

Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100 > Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able > > to play region 1 disks with m

Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:37:26PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on > > > my > > > computers? I've tried every

Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:23:05 +0100 > cpghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:41:21AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 05:23:23PM +0100, Nikol

How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port

2008-11-16 Thread eculp
Test example. I need to sync a directory from my machine to another that is using port 722 rather than 22. I can use ssh -pm722, scp -P 722 fine but I prefer rsync for the backup due to configuration flexibility. The man says: rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:PORT]/DES

How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port

2008-11-16 Thread eculp
I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard port for ssh. 722. For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:PORT]/DEST I use: rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsync://backkup.net:722/backup/ the error

Re: root /etc/csh

2008-11-16 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:44:28 +0100 Ruben de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] >Well, the link is created automatically by the port, so you should >never have had to modify any 'shebang' > ># ls -l `which perl` >lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Nov 27 2007 /usr/bin/perl -> >/usr/local/bin/per

Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF

2008-11-16 Thread Gerardo Paredes
> From: Polytropon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 8:46 AM > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:23:50 -0500, Lowell Gilbert > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, the shell isn't interpreting anythi

Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF

2008-11-16 Thread Yony Yossef
> make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF > > > the command i run is: > > cd /usr/src > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MIO > > where MIO is my kernel configuration file, living at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf Are you sure your conf file shouldn't be in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf ? YY ___

Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Brad Davis
Dear FreeBSD users, The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mai

Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF

2008-11-16 Thread Chris Pratt
On Nov 16, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Gerardo Paredes wrote: From: Polytropon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 8:46 AM On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:23:50 -0500, Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port

2008-11-16 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:43:39AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Test example. > > I need to sync a directory from my machine to another that is using port > 722 rather than 22. I can use ssh -pm722, scp -P 722 fine but I prefer > rsync for the backup due to configuration flexibility. The m

Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port

2008-11-16 Thread Vincent Hoffman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard > port for ssh. 722. > > For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: > > rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:PORT]/DEST > > I use: > > rsync -avz /almacen/testDir rsyn

Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port

2008-11-16 Thread Ron Wilhoite
On 11/16/2008 10:50 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard port for ssh. 722. For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:PORT]/DEST I use: rsync -avz /almacen/te

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread FBSD UG
Great, very useful! Thanks a lot! gr Arno On 16 nov 2008, at 17:04, Brad Davis wrote: Dear FreeBSD users, The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve a

net-snmp port upgrade build error

2008-11-16 Thread R Dicaire
Hi folks, After updating ports tree with portsnap fetch update, then running pkg_version -l '<', pkg_version shows net-snmp is upgradable: pkg_version -l '<' net-snmp< pkg_replace net-snmp ---> Replacing 'net-snmp-5.3.2_3' with 'net-snmp-5.3.2.3' ---> Building '/usr/

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing lists. this w

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Peter Boosten
Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program > and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for > FreeBSD? i don't think so. There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. If all people were specialists in Fre

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for FreeBSD? i don't think so. There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for "specialists" (i mean just someone bit advanced)? will it be separate forum or integrated

Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem

2008-11-16 Thread Robin Becker
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: . >>> >>> Is there some way to make these libraries available without this? >> I think this is just a question of adding /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 to the ldconfig hints. At least when I ran >> >> ldconfig -R /usr/local/lib/gcc-4.3.3 >> >> things improved. > > The p

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Dave Feustel
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:58:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the >> availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is >> our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for >> FreeBSD us

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Charlie Kester
* Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-14 14:56:26 -0800]: But why are we interested in "converting" people? That borders on religious, which an operating system should not be. I'm not saying "we don't need new users" -- I'm saying: if we took half the energy used "converting" people

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Charlie Kester
* Da Rock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-16 15:21:27 +1000]: The reason for sending the OP to linux first is they will not be deterred by the driver and hardware issues. Linux IS easier in this way, and has a greater support for hardware that is used outside of a server environment. It also allow

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread R Dicaire
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Charlie Kester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Users can also contribute by helping to refine the requirements for > software. For example, my son is an animator and he and I have often > discussed various graphics tools. In his opinion, the Gimp is a > powerful too

Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF

2008-11-16 Thread Mel
On Friday 14 November 2008 20:31:28 Gerardo Paredes wrote: > Hello, i have a problem compiling a custom kernel on a AMD 850 MHZ > Processor, however on the last stage it fails with the following message: > > > make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF > > > the command i run is: > > cd /usr/src > mak

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Matthew Seaman
Wojciech Puchar wrote: and subscribe. is having as much "users" as possible really good for FreeBSD? i don't think so. There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for "specialists" (i mean just someone bit advanced)? will it be sepa

Re: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF

2008-11-16 Thread Chris Pratt
On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Mel wrote: On Friday 14 November 2008 20:31:28 Gerardo Paredes wrote: Hello, i have a problem compiling a custom kernel on a AMD 850 MHZ Processor, however on the last stage it fails with the following message: make doesn't know how to make KERNCONF the co

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It's independent of the mailing lists -- there's a feed of the News articles that's fine - just i've checked it. i was scared it will be webinterface to this mailing list. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailma

Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3

2008-11-16 Thread Jin Guojun[VFF]
Ian Smith wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: >I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the >problem persists: >0056626 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any >65330 2018 983473 allow tcp from any to any established >65535

Installing HP LaserJet 4+ in CUPS

2008-11-16 Thread Andrew Falanga
Hi, I finally "bit the bullet" as it were and switched from amd64 to i386 (too many programs I couldn't run, such as flashplayer and the nvidia drivers). Anyway, I'm getting things going again and I remember that I had to install a printer driver from ports for my HP LJ 4+ but I can't remember

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
improving FreeBSD, there wouldn't be a need to "convert". "Build it (and secure/stabilise it) and they will come". Indeed, what IS the value of more users to a volunteer project like FreeBSD? to some level - better driver support. but windows-converters-seeking-for-nicer-windows don't write

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Interesting analogy, and your overall point makes sense. Here's a question regarding the attitude towards moves to new software and the expectation it behave like $OTHER_PROGRAM. Photoshop had to be learned exactly. for experienced gimp user moving to photoshop will not be easy too. but it's

Re: gcc-4.3.3 problem

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
unfortunately the modification requires a newer version of GCC so I have installed gcc version 4.3.3 from ports. When I try to run my make command I'm seeing this error *** WARNING: renaming "_codecs_hk" since importing it failed: Shared object "libgcc_s.so.1" I see that the gcc 4.3.3 libs w

Re: Installing HP LaserJet 4+ in CUPS

2008-11-16 Thread Ghirai
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:40 -0700 Andrew Falanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I finally "bit the bullet" as it were and switched from amd64 to i386 > (too many programs I couldn't run, such as flashplayer and the nvidia > drivers). Anyway, I'm getting things going again and I remember th

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Still it goes, the OP is trying to get away from MS-Win, not find some non-MS clone in EVERY such post i see exactly opposite. they want windoze clones! they don't ask about how to learn unix, what to read, they didn't read even basic manuals, or if so - just glanced. actually - there is a ma

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! complete beginners by what ever means work, since today's Noob is potentially tomorrow's elite Kernel programmer. At first he must be programmer at all. you can learn programming in any OS, even that

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning. But it is NOT windoze replacement. It is if you put it on the system instead of MS-Win stuff. It will totally replace it if you use fdisk to create a FreeBSD slice no need for slices. i don't create slices on any system.

Re: Installing HP LaserJet 4+ in CUPS

2008-11-16 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:40 -0700, Andrew Falanga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, I'm getting things going again and I remember that I had to install a > printer driver from ports for my HP LJ 4+ but I can't remember what it was. > Could someone here please refresh my memory? As far as I

Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Nikola Lečić
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:27 +0100 Fabian Keil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100 > > Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Lei Chen
On 11/17/08, FBSD UG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great, very useful! > > Thanks a lot! > > gr > Arno There was a bsdforums.org before, and closed down, and now http://daemonforums.org, I don't see the point of having an official forum from freebsd. If for announcement purpose, a dynamic webpag

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Charlie Kester
* Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-16 22:41:27 +0100]: discussion about gimp and photoshop is OFF TOPIC. Agreed. I introduced it as an EXAMPLE of one way a new user might contribute a valuable perspective and therefore why we might want to recruit him into the FreeBSD community.

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:57:31PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>simply reading FreeBSD handbook will be the best move for the beginning. > >> > >>But it is NOT windoze replacement. > > > >It is if you put it on the system instead of MS-Win stuff. > >It will totally replace it if you use fdisk

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means > > attracting > > NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) -- Bruce Cran ___

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means >> > attracting >> >> NO IT IS NOT! > > Well, it sounds like Minix

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Glen Barber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) >> Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> > Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing.

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I *do* want to see a discussion of the FreeBSD project's goals, as part of the answer the OP's question about which platform to use instead of Windows. The more people understand what FreeBSD's design goals are, the better they'll be able to decide if it also meets their goals. they can read it

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) -- minix doesn't work well under high load. it's not even designed to do this. maybe it will change, and full DMA ide drivers. will be

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Steven Susbauer
Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> I *do* want to see a discussion of the FreeBSD project's goals, as part >> of the answer the OP's question about which platform to use instead of >> Windows. The more people understand what FreeBSD's design goals are, the >> better they'll be able to decide if it also meet

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential user's question turned into a flamewar. actually it's NOT a flamewar. it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD community about the effect of doing such nonsense li

Re: re changing from vista

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
which are doing quite well. If accommodating a Windows user is simply allowing for a usable desktop system, then FreeBSD works fine. what you mean "usable desktop system"? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...snip...] > > I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. > Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. -- Glen Barber "If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand what i write ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.or

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread matt donovan
Indeed you are trolling Considering that your way of thinking is actually a flame. Also I never knew how to program before I even started to use *nix, but once I did I began to learn how to code. Also I know what your saying your in the dark ages it seems where, elites rule No Offense _

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
No Offense indeed it is offense. my opinion is different than yours so i have to shut up. that's what you said/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mai

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread FBSD UG
On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential user's question turned into a flamewar. actually it's NOT a flamewar. it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD c

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? what better exactly? sounds interesting. please add some details, because for now i see that it going not better not worse but exactly the same way as my examples. If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or lat

Re: puc(4) not attaching to NM9845-based serial card in 6.3-p5

2008-11-16 Thread Darren Pilgrim
Darren Pilgrim wrote: I have the following PCI, 4-port serial card: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:2:0: class=0x070002 card=0x00041000 chip=0x98459710 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'MosChip Semiconductors (Was: Netmos Technology)' device = 'Nm9845 Parallel/Serial Port Adapter' class

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread prad
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100 FBSD UG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? > If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later > this is possibly good advice, but i think that wojciech makes a valid warning and, imho, i thin

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Charlie Kester
* FBSD UG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]: On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating and repeating the same mistake again. why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD become

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread matt donovan
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Charlie Kester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > * FBSD UG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]: > > >> On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating >>> and repeating the same mis

Intel 5100 WiFi

2008-11-16 Thread Steve Tremblett
Is there any development being done to support the Intel 5100 wireless device? Linux support is very recent (within the last month), and I believe it requires a firmware blob. Does FreeBSD align with OpenBSD on the whole blob debate? ___ freebsd-questio

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Reed Loefgren
Wojciech Puchar wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine

Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port

2008-11-16 Thread eculp
Jeremy Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:43:39AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Test example. I need to sync a directory from my machine to another that is using port 722 rather than 22. I can use ssh -pm722, scp -P 722 fine but I prefer rsync for the backup d

Re: How can rsync with ssh be used on a non standard ssh port

2008-11-16 Thread eculp
Vincent Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to use rsync for backup to another machine using a nonstandard port for ssh. 722. For example, when I test using my translation of the man pages: rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[EMAIL PROTECTED]:PORT]/DEST I use:

locate: how to prune .svn directories?

2008-11-16 Thread clemens fischer
Hi, I am trying to remove all the ".svn" directories and their contents from /var/db/locate.database. The uncommented entries in /etc/locate.rc look like this: # /etc/locate.rc - command script for updatedb(8) # SEARCHPATHS="/" # PRUNEPATHS="/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp" PRUNEPATHS="${PRU

Re: HW VLAN Filtering on FreeBSD 6.3 + 7.0

2008-11-16 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 02:27:36PM +0200, Yony Yossef wrote: > > > > > I would like to enable my NIC HW VLAN filtering, is there any way for > > my > > > driver to access the OS vlan table? (something like vlan_group_get_device > > on > > > linux) > > > > > > I understood from previous inv

Re: some ipfw filter does not function under Release 6.3

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Smith
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > Ian Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008, Jin Guojun[VFF] wrote: > > > > >I think this is a bug in ipfw because after change the rule order, the > > >problem persists: > > >0056626 3090 deny ip from 221.192.199.36 to any

Re: port upgrade problem: libncurses.so.5.6 not found

2008-11-16 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi all, I was rebuilding all my ports due to an error in my library. After a couple days, I think most of the ports were rebuilt, but some remain (skipped, error, etc). I then try to rebuild myself (by doing make deinstall; make reinstall). I started with mplayer. The compilation succeeded, but

Re: Kerberos in FreeBSD

2008-11-16 Thread Sahil Tandon
Ansar Mohammed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any reason why the port of HEIMDAL is at 0.6.3 (2004) in FreeBSD 7.0 when we > have 1.0 available? On 7.0-RELEASE: % cat /usr/ports/security/heimdal/Makefile | grep PORTVERSION PORTVERSION=1.0.1 -- Sahil Tandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___

RE: Kerberos in FreeBSD

2008-11-16 Thread Ansar Mohammed
That’s the port. Not the one that is installed by default. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/sysop]$ /usr/libexec/kdc -v kdc (Heimdal 0.6.3) Copyright 1999-2004 Kungliga Tekniska Högskolan Send bug-reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-

Kerberos in FreeBSD

2008-11-16 Thread Ansar Mohammed
Any reason why the port of HEIMDAL is at 0.6.3 (2004) in FreeBSD 7.0 when we have 1.0 available? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTEC

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