Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-22 Thread Shane Ambler
On 21/07/2013 17:31, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:13:39 +0930 Shane Ambler wrote: On 21/07/2013 04:42, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: It's a pity there are now only two manufacturers of spinning rust. I thought there was three left - Seagate WD and Toshiba I assumed

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-22 Thread krad
But then zfs doesn't access every block on the disk does it, only the allocated ones On 20 July 2013 21:07, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:14:20 +0100 >> Frank Leonhardt wrote: >> >> It's worth noting, as a warning for a

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-21 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 00:27:01 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) wrote: > "Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote: > > > It's a pity there are now only two manufacturers of spinning rust. > > I didn't think there were _any_! Haven't oxide-coated platters gone > the way of the dodo bird?

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-21 Thread Perry Hutchison
"Steve O'Hara-Smith" wrote: > It's a pity there are now only two manufacturers of spinning rust. I didn't think there were _any_! Haven't oxide-coated platters gone the way of the dodo bird? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-21 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:13:39 +0930 Shane Ambler wrote: > On 21/07/2013 04:42, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > It's a pity there are now only two manufacturers of spinning rust. > > > I thought there was three left - Seagate WD and Toshiba I assumed Toshiba were out of the game, I've never

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-20 Thread Shane Ambler
On 21/07/2013 04:42, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: It's a pity there are now only two manufacturers of spinning rust. I thought there was three left - Seagate WD and Toshiba ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-20 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:14:20 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: It's worth noting, as a warning for anyone who hasn't been there, that the number of times a second drive in a RAID system fails during a rebuild is higher than would be expected. During

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-20 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:14:20 +0100 Frank Leonhardt wrote: > It's worth noting, as a warning for anyone who hasn't been there, that > the number of times a second drive in a RAID system fails during a > rebuild is higher than would be expected. During a rebuild the remaining > drives get thrash

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-20 Thread Frank Leonhardt
On 16/07/2013 20:48, Charles Swiger wrote: Hi-- On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Johan Hendriks wrote: Well, "don't do that". :-) When the server reboots because of a powerfailure at night, then it boots. Then it starts to rebuild the mirror on its own, and later the fsck kicks in. Not much i

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-19 Thread aurfalien
On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: >> On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Shane Ambler wrote: >>> >>> I doubt that you would save any ram having the os on a non-zfs drive as >>> you will already be using zfs chances are that non-zfs drives would on

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-17 Thread krad
not recommended anymore you should run SU+J if your version supports it On 17 July 2013 00:08, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > On 07/16/13 21:27, Johan Hendriks wrote: > >> Op dinsdag 16 juli 2013 schreef Charles Swiger (cswi...@mac.com) het >> volgende: >> >> Hi-- >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:33

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-17 Thread krad
You would in theory as from what i remember every zfs filesystem takes up 64 kb of ram, so the savings could be massive 8) On 16 July 2013 10:41, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 16/07/2013 14:41, aurfalien wrote: > >> >> On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> >> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, aurf

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On 07/16/13 21:27, Johan Hendriks wrote: Op dinsdag 16 juli 2013 schreef Charles Swiger (cswi...@mac.com) het volgende: Hi-- On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Johan Hendriks > wrote: [ ... ] I would us a zfs for the os. I have a couple of servers that did not survive a power failure with gmirror

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Charles Swiger
Hi-- On Jul 16, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Johan Hendriks wrote: >> Well, "don't do that". :-) > > When the server reboots because of a powerfailure at night, then it boots. > Then it starts to rebuild the mirror on its own, and later the fsck kicks in. > > Not much i can do about it. > > Maybe i sho

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Charles Swiger
Hi-- On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Johan Hendriks wrote: [ ... ] > I would us a zfs for the os. > I have a couple of servers that did not survive a power failure with > gmirror. > The problems i had was when the power failed one disk was in a rebuilding > state and then when the background fsck s

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Shane Ambler wrote: I doubt that you would save any ram having the os on a non-zfs drive as you will already be using zfs chances are that non-zfs drives would only increase ram usage by adding a second cache. zfs uses it's own

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Johan Hendriks
Op dinsdag 16 juli 2013 schreef Charles Swiger (cswi...@mac.com) het volgende: > Hi-- > > On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Johan Hendriks > > > wrote: > [ ... ] > > I would us a zfs for the os. > > I have a couple of servers that did not survive a power failure with > > gmirror. > > The problems i h

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread aurfalien
On Jul 16, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 16/07/2013 14:41, aurfalien wrote: >> >> On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: >>> ... thats the question :) At any rate, I'm building a rather large 100+TB NAS using Z

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Johan Hendriks
Op dinsdag 16 juli 2013 schreef Frank Leonhardt (fra...@fjl.co.uk) het volgende: > On 16/07/2013 10:41, Shane Ambler wrote: > >> On 16/07/2013 14:41, aurfalien wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: ... thats the

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Frank Leonhardt
On 16/07/2013 10:41, Shane Ambler wrote: On 16/07/2013 14:41, aurfalien wrote: On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: ... thats the question :) At any rate, I'm building a rather large 100+TB NAS using ZFS. However for my OS, should I also Z

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-16 Thread Shane Ambler
On 16/07/2013 14:41, aurfalien wrote: On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: ... thats the question :) At any rate, I'm building a rather large 100+TB NAS using ZFS. However for my OS, should I also ZFS or simply gmirror as I've a dedicated

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-15 Thread aurfalien
On Jul 15, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: > >> ... thats the question :) >> >> At any rate, I'm building a rather large 100+TB NAS using ZFS. >> >> However for my OS, should I also ZFS or simply gmirror as I've a dedicated >> pair of 256GB SSD dr

Re: to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-15 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, aurfalien wrote: ... thats the question :) At any rate, I'm building a rather large 100+TB NAS using ZFS. However for my OS, should I also ZFS or simply gmirror as I've a dedicated pair of 256GB SSD drives for it. I didn't ask for SSD sys drives, this system just came w

to gmirror or to ZFS

2013-07-15 Thread aurfalien
... thats the question :) At any rate, I'm building a rather large 100+TB NAS using ZFS. However for my OS, should I also ZFS or simply gmirror as I've a dedicated pair of 256GB SSD drives for it. I didn't ask for SSD sys drives, this system just came with em. This is more of a best practices