Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:46 AM, wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:46:35 -0400, Michel Talon > wrote: > > Jerry said: >> >> "Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in >>> Java 6 Update 15 and above." >>> >> >> OK, this explains why my plugin doesn't work. So the onl

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Jerry wrote: > As per the Mozilla site: > > "Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in > Java 6 Update 15 and above." > > FreeBSD does not supply, nor support as far as I can decipher, that > version or any of the newer versions, the la

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:46:35 -0400, Michel Talon wrote: Jerry said: "Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in Java 6 Update 15 and above." OK, this explains why my plugin doesn't work. So the only solution is to use the port firefox35 hoping that other compon

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Jerry said: > "Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in > Java 6 Update 15 and above." OK, this explains why my plugin doesn't work. So the only solution is to use the port firefox35 hoping that other components (flash plugin support) also work in this case. > Free

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:17:32 + Michel Talon articulated: > > Jerry said: > " > It took years, literally, before FreeBSD matured enough to get 64-bit > drivers for nVidia working correctly on its platform. The failure to > get the latest version(s) of Java working correctly on FreeBSD and > t

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Jonathan McKeown wrote: Yes. It lies with Sun and Oracle, and the licensing terms that prevent the FreeBSD project from distributing modified Java packages. More generally, the problem lies with companies who won't support FreeBSD but also prevent the project from supporting their product its

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Wednesday 15 September 2010 13:02:41 Jerry wrote: > It took years, literally, before FreeBSD matured enough to get 64-bit > drivers for nVidia working correctly on its platform. The failure to > get the latest version(s) of Java working correctly on FreeBSD and > thereby, at least in my case, m

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Jerry said: " It took years, literally, before FreeBSD matured enough to get 64-bit drivers for nVidia working correctly on its platform. The failure to get the latest version(s) of Java working correctly on FreeBSD and thereby, at least in my case, make the latest version of Firefox fully usable,

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:52:57 -0500 Joshua Isom articulated: > As to the original post, Java, a "portable" "write once run anywhere" > language, doesn't work on FreeBSD, a "standard" type operating system > that mainly runs on "standard" hardware, when used with Xorg, a > widely used "standard,"

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 9/14/2010 4:21 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: Jules> Now, if Oracle won't adjust their thinking, I intend to look at Java Jules> sub-systems that are supplied and built by other people than Oracle. Jules> (It's called Open Source.) And that's what I tried

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Tuesday, 14 September 2010: > > "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Now, if Oracle won't adjust their thinking, I intend to look at Java > Jules> sub-systems that are supplied and built by other people than Oracle. > Jules> (It's called Open Source.) > > A

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: Jules> Now, if Oracle won't adjust their thinking, I intend to look at Java Jules> sub-systems that are supplied and built by other people than Oracle. Jules> (It's called Open Source.) And that's what I tried to say in my last few posts. Given Oracle's ap

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:11:10 -0400 Jules Gilbert wrote: > A typical FBSD user wants to be able to do a ports-based install, or > perhaps a pkg_add and, presto, out of the box, have a browser. > > And, here it comes... Wait for it. > > Without too much trouble, have a running Java, connect to t

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

(Trimming the CC list a bit.) On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Jules Gilbert wrote: > I understand that Sun declined to allow pre-built configurations to be > shipped.  Okay. > > Now, (here I am not asking for a public response, nor am I suggesting > that anyone email me privately about this,) do

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

I'm the guy who started this thread. First, I'm not unhappy with any of you. Each of you, every single person who has, at any time, been a member of the team working on *any* FBSD sub-system, has contributed more than me. I don't criticize you, I salute you, thank you. And stop throwing bricks

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 09/10/10 15:16, Chip Camden wrote: Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the only good solution? Take a look at some online games. For example Runescape (www.runescape.com) Taken from Wikipedia "/*RuneScape*/ is a fantasy

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 10 Sep 2010 at 18:20, Jason C. Wells wrote: Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... > On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. > > > > > Java is not just for browsers.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 10 Sep 2010 at 18:20, Jason C. Wells wrote: Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... > On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > > I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. > > > > > Java is not just for browsers.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:17:49 -0500, Joshua Isom wrote: > So to configure your router, you need a java enabled browser, and odds > are you get the jar file from the router, so it has an http server, and > probably another server just to process configuration requests? Now > your router has two

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 9/11/2010 1:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: Let me add another field: There are applicances like "all-in-one DSL modem telephone splitter router DHCP server NAT firewall boxes" that are very common in german households. Those usually use Java to present their control elements to the user; "Applet loa

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:49:56 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > These days, it seems like the only places > people *really* think they still need Java are smartphones and > "enterprise" systems running on overpriced servers -- neither of which > makes a difference for Firefox on the desktop. Let me add

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Preface: Sorry for messing up the quotes and all, this message got a bit untidy so that even *I* am unsure who I am currently replying to. :-) On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:24:31 +, four.harris...@googlemail.com wrote: > On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

> "Jason" == Jason C Wells writes: Jason> On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> >> I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. >> >> Jason> Java is not just for browsers. Indeed. And I still stand by my statement. Java makes everyone equally incompetent, which is why manag

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Java is not just for browsers. Regards, Jason C. Wells ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:16:51AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > > Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the > only good solution? I guess the only answer to that is "running applications someone wrote in Java" -- but I know that's *not* what you meant. > > I don't h

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 06:46, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Look, I'm just a user.  I'm not a Java developer, not a language > Jules> developer, not a run-time specialist.  But folks, we got problems!  I > Jules> say this because it's becoming reall

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

- From: "Eirik Øverby" Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Date: 10th September 2010 16:20 On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: >>>>>> "Mark" == Ma

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 08:16 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010: > > > "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Jerry wrote: > Excepting donations != producing results. I will be happy to donate > $100 US dollars to their fund once they distribute a fully up-to-date > version of JAVA, not some reworked, deprecated version, that is fully > compatible with Firefox on FreeBSD.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: >> "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted uni

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010: > > "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: > > Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. > Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across > Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browser

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

> "Mark" == Mark Sommer writes: Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 9/10/10 7:46 AM, "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: >> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: > > Jules> Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language > Jules> developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I > Jules> say this because it's becoming really hard

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: Jules> Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language Jules> developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I Jules> say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a Jules> browser. And that's why I cha

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:43:36 -0500 Adam Vande More articulated: > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jules Gilbert > wrote: > > > About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. > > > > Some questions: > > > > Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with > > Java

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a browser. I didn't even know that Google and Oracle weren't getting along, I really am out of date.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 09/09/2010 22:02, Jules Gilbert wrote: > About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. > > Some questions: > > Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. > No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. > > I'm trying to do an 8.1 install.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On 09/09/10 14:02, Jules Gilbert wrote: About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. Some questions: Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. I'm trying to do an 8.1 install. Does this pro

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

> "Jules" == Jules Gilbert writes: Jules> Now an opinion. If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should look Jules> around for an alternative, even inventing something else, something Jules> that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. You mean something that looks like Java but isn't Java? That's precisely

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jules Gilbert wrote: > About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. > > Some questions: > > Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. > No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. > > I'm trying to do an 8.1

this is probably a little touchy to ask...

About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. Some questions: Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. I'm trying to do an 8.1 install. Does this problem exist with Sun's x86 OS? Does anyone