Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:makeinstallworld error))

2004-08-25 Thread mailist
On Wednesday 25 August 2004 09:28 am, Charles Ulrich wrote: > epilogue said: > >> Just out of curiosity, is it incorrect to simply say that ports build > >> packages? > > > > Yes. > > Well, now I've received one explicit "yes" answer and one explicit "no" > answer to this question, leading me to be

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

2004-08-25 Thread Charles Ulrich
Lowell Gilbert said: > If you think you see specific places to improve the documentation, > please write it up and submit it in a Problem Report. FreeBSD is, > after all, a volunteer project...;2~ That would probably be a better use of my time than grousing about it on a mailing list, so I think

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:makeinstallworld error))

2004-08-25 Thread Charles Ulrich
epilogue said: >> Just out of curiosity, is it incorrect to simply say that ports build >> packages? > > Yes. Well, now I've received one explicit "yes" answer and one explicit "no" answer to this question, leading me to believe that there might not be a clear consensus even among experienced Fre

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

2004-08-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That phrase -- "ports build packages" is just so right on so many > levels. Except for the literal description of what actually happens. It seems that a lot of the supposed confusion of novices comes from the fact that we don't have a separate word to

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

2004-08-24 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 12:13:31PM -0700, Jay O'Brien wrote: > Charles Ulrich wrote: > > > The phrase "ports > > build packages" is a neat and efficient way of rectifying the > > misunderstandings that can occur when trying to give a proper > > explanation of FreeBSD package management. > Thank

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

2004-08-24 Thread Lowell Gilbert
"Charles Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just out of curiosity, is it incorrect to simply say that ports build > packages? No, packages are indeed built from ports. > That is, once a piece of software is installed with 'make install', > is it treated the same as any package that

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

2004-08-24 Thread epilogue
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT) "Charles Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lowell Gilbert said: > > In FreeBSD, a "port" is a third-party application ported to be built > > from > source on your system. A "package" is a pre-compiled binary of that > port. Once installed, they are both

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

2004-08-24 Thread Jay O'Brien
Charles Ulrich wrote: > The phrase "ports > build packages" is a neat and efficient way of rectifying the > misunderstandings that can occur when trying to give a proper > explanation of FreeBSD package management. > Charles, Thank you for concisely answering a burning question I didn't know

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re:make installworld error))

2004-08-24 Thread Charles Ulrich
Lowell Gilbert said: > In FreeBSD, a "port" is a third-party application ported to be built from source on your system. A "package" is a pre-compiled binary of that port. Once installed, they are both tracked (and removable) by the same database, usually referred to as the "package database". Se

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re: make installworld error))

2004-08-23 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Curtis Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am now going to try again. I am installing v. 4.8 on a server. > This server is to be a Postfix w/Courier IMAP server integrated into a > Linux-based network, authentication centralized using PAM & LDAP. > That's about it. > > Now, some people might

Re: Reinstalling, then upgrading

2004-08-23 Thread Curtis Vaughan
On 23 Aug, 2004, at 13:16, Robert Huff wrote: Curtis Vaughan writes: Finally, while I'm reinstalling 4.8, I would like to know something about the following. It seems to me that cvsup is actually downloading the entire repository of packages for FreeBSD. Is that really what one has to do to p

Reinstalling, then upgrading

2004-08-23 Thread Robert Huff
Curtis Vaughan writes: > Finally, while I'm reinstalling 4.8, I would like to know > something about the following. > It seems to me that cvsup is actually downloading the entire > repository of packages for FreeBSD. Is that really what one has > to do to perform an upgrade? Cvsup

Reinstalling, then upgrading

2004-08-23 Thread Robert Huff
Curtis Vaughan writes: > Finally, while I'm reinstalling 4.8, I would like to know > something about the following. > It seems to me that cvsup is actually downloading the entire > repository of packages for FreeBSD. Is that really what one has > to do to perform an upgrade? Cvsup

Reinstalling, then upgrading (Was Re: Salvageable? (Was Re: make installworld error))

2004-08-23 Thread Curtis Vaughan
Thanks to everyone who has been answering my questions over the past several days (weeks) concerning installing and upgrading FreeBSD. I am now going to try again. I am installing v. 4.8 on a server. This server is to be a Postfix w/Courier IMAP server integrated into a Linux-based network, a