Can all future replys on this subject please exclude me in the reply please :)
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On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 10:13:45PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote:
> In the last episode (Feb 04), Loren M. Lang said:
> > Actually, I think you should work on sh first, it's a much bigger
> > security hazard than perl. If you've ever written much sh, you'd
> > realize with it's much loser syntax, it's e
In the last episode (Feb 04), Loren M. Lang said:
> Actually, I think you should work on sh first, it's a much bigger
> security hazard than perl. If you've ever written much sh, you'd
> realize with it's much loser syntax, it's easy to get into trouble.
> At least perl provides use strict and -T
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:41:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> ps who is the imake developer ?
>
> Believe me i am going to mail every developer where perl comes in
> between me and the application :P
Actually, I think you should work on sh first, it's a much bigger
security hazard than perl. I
ok ok me stop asking questions about the wrench lying in my living
room next to my television. I will just put some flowers on top of it
:P
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On Wednesday 26 January 2005 05:45 pm, Adam Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 06:31:32PM +0100, Gert Cuykens said:
> > >If you compile from the ports then the television factory is also
> > > your living room.
> >
> > True, lets talk about the factory then
> >
> > The machinery would be /usr/s
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 06:31:32PM +0100, Gert Cuykens said:
> >If you compile from the ports then the television factory is also your
> >living room.
>
> True, lets talk about the factory then
>
> The machinery would be /usr/src
> The resources would be /usr/ports
>
> Do you agree a wrench is n
> Henry Miller wrote:
> I disagree with your categorization. /usr/ports is non-factory
> additions. No factory makes snow plows. There is no way to install
> a snow-plow on a truck without wrenches.
>
> Installing without packages is taking the wrenches into your own hands
> and following th
Gert Cuykens wrote:
True, lets talk about the factory then
The machinery would be /usr/src
The resources would be /usr/ports
Do you agree a wrench is not a resource ?
I think your analogies go astray because you don't fully understand
the wide variety of uses Perl has. It used in many different
c
>That's not what you're saying. you're asking the people who build your
>car not to use a wrench but their bare hands because you have something
>against wrenches for some reason.
i have nothing against a wrenches
>If you compile from the ports then the television factory is also your
>living roo
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:59:54PM +0100, Gert Cuykens said:
>
> I am not a developer so i can not think for them i can only ask
> questions. I would not even ask them if the application itself would
> use it. Then i would accept it as part of a furniture.
>
> PS if you buy a new television do yo
* Gert Cuykens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0137 23:37]:
> No i dont know anything about c++ or perl, ok i know what a class is :P
> For me is not realy about perl it self its about the way it get used
> as a tool to help build things. For me freebsd is build as a base that
> can handle everything designe
> > So if want to (install) buy a car and go to the (ports) shop i dont
> > expect to bring my (perl) wrench to the (ports) shop .
>
> No, you expect a competent shop to have the tool and know
> how to use it. Otherwise you wouldn't take your car there.
>
Ok thats true but a toolbox belongs in
>
> > Let me get this straight. You're not a developer, so you don't know
> > languages or how to code. Yet you're completely convinced that perl is
> > insecure and should never be used anywhere, and you're equally convinced
> > that no developer should be using it for their programs.
> >
> >
>
> > > For me freebsd is build as a base that
> > > can handle everything designed for it. If application need something
> > > to help it build, it should belong to the base and not to a external
> > > perl tool.
> > >
> > Then it wouldn't hurt for you to know that perl *is* part of the base of
>
> > For me freebsd is build as a base that
> > can handle everything designed for it. If application need something
> > to help it build, it should belong to the base and not to a external
> > perl tool.
> >
> Then it wouldn't hurt for you to know that perl *is* part of the base of
> FreeBSD. Ther
--On Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:35:32 AM +0100 Gert Cuykens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For me freebsd is build as a base that
can handle everything designed for it. If application need something
to help it build, it should belong to the base and not to a external
perl tool.
Then it wouldn't h
> Let me get this straight. You're not a developer, so you don't know
> languages or how to code. Yet you're completely convinced that perl is
> insecure and should never be used anywhere, and you're equally convinced
> that no developer should be using it for their programs.
>
> Is that about r
Gert Cuykens wrote:
I want a freebsd with cvsup x11 and a gnome-lite desktop. Its what i
like about freebsd filosofie you have a house and you can chose your
own freebsd port furniture. For me perl is a closet that i dont want
because it doesnt go well with my php painting and my apache carpet.
If
Gert Cuykens wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:47:32 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[ ... ]
no why would it irritate developers ? Its just a question ? i only
want them to think a bit before they bring in perl to build there
application.
I am not a developer so i can not think for them
--On Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:59:54 PM +0100 Gert Cuykens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
no why would it irritate developers ? Its just a question ? i only
want them to think a bit before they bring in perl to build there
application.
I am not a developer so i can not think for them i can only ask
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:47:32 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:41:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > ps who is the imake developer ?
> >
> > Believe me i am going to mail every developer where perl comes in
> > between me and the application :P
>
> That
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:51:28PM +0100, David Landgren wrote:
> Kris Kennaway wrote:
> >>
> >>I will start with the cvsup developer :P
> >
> >
> >cvsup itself doesn't require perl to build (as you can see from the
> >lack of mention in the makefile), it's one of the other build
> >dependencies.
>
Kris Kennaway wrote:
I will start with the cvsup developer :P
cvsup itself doesn't require perl to build (as you can see from the
lack of mention in the makefile), it's one of the other build
dependencies.
Well I think Modula-3 is find totally useless and even obsolete and dead
as far as language
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:41:56PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> ps who is the imake developer ?
>
> Believe me i am going to mail every developer where perl comes in
> between me and the application :P
That would mostly just irritate developers and point out your own
ignorance.
I think you need
ps who is the imake developer ?
Believe me i am going to mail every developer where perl comes in
between me and the application :P
I dont want perl , i know it can do great things but i dont want it.
Its a bit like internet explorer browser or msn messenger in windows.
I just want a windows not
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 11:23:09PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> so if i go to a ports tree directory how do i display a list of all
> dependencies without compiling it ?
>
> I am guessing something like make info :)
'make pretty-print-run-depends-list' or
'make pretty-print-build-depends-list' d
so if i go to a ports tree directory how do i display a list of all
dependencies without compiling it ?
I am guessing something like make info :)
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 08:00:54PM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:33:25 -0600, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --On Tuesday, January 25, 2005 09:26:07 AM +0100 Gert Cuykens
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > this is what i dont understand only need perl to c
In the last episode (Jan 25), Gert Cuykens said:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:33:25 -0600, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2005 09:26:07 AM +0100 Gert Cuykens <[EMAIL
> > PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > this is what i dont understand only need perl to compile it ?
> > >
>
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 01:00 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:33:25 -0600, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --On Tuesday, January 25, 2005 09:26:07 AM +0100 Gert Cuykens
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > this is what i dont understand only need perl to compile
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:33:25 -0600, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --On Tuesday, January 25, 2005 09:26:07 AM +0100 Gert Cuykens
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > this is what i dont understand only need perl to compile it ?
> >
> > so some pakeges need perl to compile and some dont ?
--On Tuesday, January 25, 2005 09:26:07 AM +0100 Gert Cuykens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
this is what i dont understand only need perl to compile it ?
so some pakeges need perl to compile and some dont ? why not make them
all perl independent ?
This shouldn't be too hard to do. All you have to do
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 09:26:07AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:53:01 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 03:30:05PM +1000, Warren wrote:
> > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:28 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > > does cvsup need perl ?
> > >
> > >
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:53:01 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 03:30:05PM +1000, Warren wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:28 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > does cvsup need perl ?
> >
> > Yes
>
> Only to compile it from ports, not to run the resulting package.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 03:30:05PM +1000, Warren wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:28 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > does cvsup need perl ?
>
> Yes
Only to compile it from ports, not to run the resulting package.
Kris
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On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 11:15:12PM -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote:
> > > And if you want to install packages using the ports tree.
> >
> > Eh?
> >
> > > depend on installing packages only, ok. Of course, you have to wait
> > > for them to be built.
> > >
> > > I just ran pkg_info -R perl-5.8.5, to
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:28 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> does cvsup need perl ?
Yes
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On Monday 24 January 2005 10:23 pm, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:20:10 -0800, Kris Kennaway
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 05:12:12AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > So if i want to completly wipe out perl where in my freebsd 5.3
> > > ports tree do i do "m
On Monday 24 January 2005 09:25 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:20:16PM -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote:
> > On Monday 24 January 2005 06:54 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > > Do we still need perl to make use of
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:20:10 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 05:12:12AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
>
> > So if i want to completly wipe out perl where in my freebsd 5.3 ports
> > tree do i do "make deinstall" ?
>
> Use pkg_info and pkg_delete to remove th
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 05:12:12AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> So if i want to completly wipe out perl where in my freebsd 5.3 ports
> tree do i do "make deinstall" ?
Use pkg_info and pkg_delete to remove the installed packages. See the
manpages.
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:53:20 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:47:41AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:25:10 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:20:16PM -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote:
> >
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 04:47:41AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:25:10 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:20:16PM -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote:
> > > On Monday 24 January 2005 06:54 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 25,
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:25:10 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:20:16PM -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote:
> > On Monday 24 January 2005 06:54 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > > Do we still need
On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:20:16PM -0600, Donald J. O'Neill wrote:
> On Monday 24 January 2005 06:54 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > Do we still need perl to make use of ports
> > >
> > > Just asking because it bugs me. I never use it
On Monday 24 January 2005 06:54 pm, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > Do we still need perl to make use of ports
> >
> > Just asking because it bugs me. I never use it and it just takes up
> > space and it is a security risc :P I want it gone :
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:22:57 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 02:02:13AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:54:50 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > > D
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 02:02:13AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:54:50 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > > Do we still need perl to make use of ports
> > >
> > > Just asking because it bugs me.
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:54:50 -0800, Kris Kennaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> > Do we still need perl to make use of ports
> >
> > Just asking because it bugs me. I never use it and it just takes up
> > space and it is a security risc
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 01:42:24AM +0100, Gert Cuykens wrote:
> Do we still need perl to make use of ports
>
> Just asking because it bugs me. I never use it and it just takes up
> space and it is a security risc :P I want it gone :)
Only if you want to do certain things like 'make index', but no
make and make install clean should do a good thing too, if the sourcecode
itself isnt perl, nor any part of it, you should get the results wanted with
these commands.
please correct me, if im not right, but the Makefile is not pl, right?
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