Quoth Warren Block on Monday, 16 May 2011:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011, Chip Camden wrote:
>
> >Looks like cinepaint doesn't have any GNOME dependencies, and also no HAL
> >dependency. Now if I can just learn how to do everything I know how to
> >do in GIMP, I'll be set for that piece.
> >
> >I don't u
Quoth Warren Block on Monday, 16 May 2011:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011, Chip Camden wrote:
>
> >Looks like cinepaint doesn't have any GNOME dependencies, and also no HAL
> >dependency. Now if I can just learn how to do everything I know how to
> >do in GIMP, I'll be set for that piece.
> >
> >I don't u
On Tue, 17 May 2011 01:27:50 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:13:48PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> >
> > Gnumeric I use more frequently (for spreadsheets). I hate having to
> > start up that monolithic libreoffice just to do a spreadsheet, but that
> > would be a HAL-free al
On Mon, 16 May 2011 17:13:48 -0700, Chip Camden
wrote:
> I don't use dia very often (it's for diagrams).
So maybe gnuplot is an alternative (if we have the same
kind of diagrams in mind)?
> Gnumeric I use more
> frequently (for spreadsheets). I hate having to start up that monolithic
> libr
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:13:48PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
>
> Gnumeric I use more frequently (for spreadsheets). I hate having to
> start up that monolithic libreoffice just to do a spreadsheet, but that
> would be a HAL-free alternative.
When I'm creating something from scratch that some peo
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Chip Camden wrote:
Looks like cinepaint doesn't have any GNOME dependencies, and also no HAL
dependency. Now if I can just learn how to do everything I know how to
do in GIMP, I'll be set for that piece.
I don't use dia very often (it's for diagrams). Gnumeric I use more
Quoth Chad Perrin on Monday, 16 May 2011:
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:14:49AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that seems to be the sticking point. The only option appears to be
> > doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
> > Any Gnome-free alternatives out
Quoth Chad Perrin on Monday, 16 May 2011:
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:14:49AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that seems to be the sticking point. The only option appears to be
> > doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
> > Any Gnome-free alternatives out
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:14:49AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
>
> Yes, that seems to be the sticking point. The only option appears to be
> doing without gimp, gnumeric, and dia, which all depend upon libgnomeui.
> Any Gnome-free alternatives out there?
I don't use anything like gnumeric or dia,
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Polytropon wrote:
Maybe, just MAYBE, the gnome-mount dependency can be installed
without requiring HAL. I don't know much about the details, but
HAL has been said to be the means for automounting local media,
and maybe is in conjuction with Samba. If you can disable such
fun
On Mon, 16 May 2011 11:14:49 -0700, Chip Camden
wrote:
> Quoth Warren Block on Monday, 16 May 2011:
> > One problem with getting rid of hal entirely is libgnomeui, which
> > depends on gvfs, which depends on gnome-mount, which depends on hal.
That's what I did assume.
> Yes, that seems to be
Quoth Warren Block on Monday, 16 May 2011:
> On Mon, 16 May 2011, Daniel Staal wrote:
>
> >--As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
> >
> >>On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
> >> wrote:
> >>>I wish I could figure
> >>>out what dependency wanted HAL
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Polytropon wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
> wrote:
>> I wish I could figure
>> out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
>
> I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
> some deeper-inside Gnome
Quoth Daniel Staal on Monday, 16 May 2011:
> --As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
>
> >On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
> > wrote:
> >>I wish I could figure
> >>out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
> >
> >I would
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Daniel Staal wrote:
--As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
wrote:
I wish I could figure
out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
I would assume that the HAL
--As of May 16, 2011 10:00:38 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
wrote:
I wish I could figure
out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
some deeper-
On Sun, 15 May 2011 12:18:28 -0700, Chip Camden
wrote:
> I wish I could figure
> out what dependency wanted HAL to be installed so I could remove it.
I would assume that the HAL dependency may be required by
some deeper-inside Gnome part that is used by Gimp, maybe
a part of the Gtk+ library...
Daniel Staal wrote:
> --As of May 15, 2011 8:03:29 PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com is
> alleged to have said:
>
> > The AT and PS/2 keyboard interfaces are electrically identical
> > -- only the physical connector is different.
>
> --As for the rest, it is mine.
>
> The physical connector is all
--As of May 15, 2011 8:03:29 PM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com is alleged to
have said:
The AT and PS/2 keyboard interfaces are electrically identical --
only the physical connector is different. (I have seen, and used,
adapters to connect either type of keyboard to the other type of
system. Su
Polytropon wrote:
> Do _NOT_ hotplug the PS/2 port! It's not capable of that!
>
> I've seen myself in the past that trying so caused a mainboard
> to fly into the garbage can - as hotplugging the keyboard
> seemed to have damaged the PS/2 port (it didn't work anymore,
> with no keyboard).
This i
Quoth Lars Eighner on Sunday, 15 May 2011:
> On Sat, 14 May 2011, Rob Clark wrote:
>
> >After restarting X, prior to any reboot, I lost the mouse in X.
> >So I figured a reboot was in order.
>
> This is almost certainly HAL. If you do not know you need HAL for
> something, mark the hal and hal-i
On Sat, 14 May 2011, Rob Clark wrote:
After restarting X, prior to any reboot, I lost the mouse in X.
So I figured a reboot was in order.
This is almost certainly HAL. If you do not know you need HAL for
something, mark the hal and hal-info ports FORBIDDEN (set FORBIDDEN to any
value in the M
Please allow me a technical sidenote:
On Sat, 14 May 2011 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT), Rob Clark wrote:
> Trying the obvious first, I unplugged the keyboard and plugged it
> back in the ps2 port, and keyboard worked immediately -- this
> was repeatable.
Do _NOT_ hotplug the PS/2 port! It's not capabl
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