On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:10:09PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> faisal gillani writes:
>
> fg> hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz At halon
> fg> with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
> fg> most of the time ..
> fg> i also have some windows server on my network but
> fg>
Ian Moore wrote:
Tape de-gaussers usually aren't much good - they were mostly made for erasing
open reel tape that used ferric oxide particles.
Backup tapes normally use metal particle tapes that need a much stronger
magnetic field to effectively erase them.
More powerful degaussers are available
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:47, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Matthew Seaman writes:
>
> MS> If your drive contains or once contained military secrets, then in the
> MS> USA and probably anywhere in the West, standard disposal procedure is
> MS> that the drive be completely overwritten with specific patter
> Overite it with randomness
so dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/drive would do the trick?
--
/Xian
"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological
criminal."
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David Gerard wrote:
My experience is that with a 500Mhz Pentium 3 (512K cache, 512mb RAM,
Matrox G450 AGP graphics), Gnome (2.6 tested) is unbearably slow. A
I have read that pango is grossly CPU-hungry, but that the project is
keenly aware of the problem. (But refuses to do the easy thing of sp
Matthias Buelow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050121 17:21]:
> David Gerard wrote:
> >So something around 500MHz will happily run Pango and the other
> >cutting-edge internationalisation stuff if you fill it with memory.
> My experience is that with a 500Mhz Pentium 3 (512K cache, 512mb RAM,
> Matrox G
David Gerard wrote:
So something around 500MHz will happily run Pango and the other
cutting-edge internationalisation stuff if you fill it with memory.
My experience is that with a 500Mhz Pentium 3 (512K cache, 512mb RAM,
Matrox G450 AGP graphics), Gnome (2.6 tested) is unbearably slow. A
large
On Jan 20 at 15:10, Matthew Seaman confidently asserted:
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 02:59:13PM +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote:
>
>> I always thought that formatting/fdisk'ing twice completely erased
>> *permanently* whatever had been on the disc. You make an interesting
>> case that previously I never
On Thu, 2005-01-20 at 21:45 +0100, Erik Norgaard wrote:
> Robert Marella wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-01-20 at 16:17 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> >
> >>Assuming one doesn't have the resources to do this, what might one do to
> >>secure disk drives before disposal.
> >
> >
> > I live in Kona on
On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 04:17:50PM +, Jason Henson wrote:
> Here is an interview with ati. The sad part is they give a solid no to
> bsd support.
Oh, that's not a problem, their drivers suck anyway. At least I wouldn't
like to have them on one of my machines.
cu,
Uwe
_
Robert Marella wrote:
On Thu, 2005-01-20 at 16:17 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Assuming one doesn't have the resources to do this, what might one do to
secure disk drives before disposal.
I live in Kona on the "Big Island of Hawai`i". One mile from shore the
water is over 4000 feet.
Send your
On Thu, 2005-01-20 at 16:17 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Assuming one doesn't have the resources to do this, what might one do to
> secure disk drives before disposal.
I live in Kona on the "Big Island of Hawai`i". One mile from shore the
water is over 4000 feet.
Send your hard drives and
Erik Norgaard writes:
EN> Many larger companies have a fixed upgrading schedule, a pc lives 3
EN> years.
One must wonder why. After all, they don't rebuild their offices every
three years (although some seem to replace company cars fairly
quickly--but mostly due to wear and tear, I presume, whic
John wrote:
On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 03:52:29PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Colin J. Raven writes:
CJR> I always thought that formatting/fdisk'ing twice completely erased
CJR> *permanently* whatever had been on the disc.
Information can be recovered from disks even after a dozen or more
overwrit
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> Colin J. Raven w
On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 03:51:01PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Colin J. Raven writes:
>
> CJR> Eh? Surely you don't meant trashed - physically annihilated?
>
> Absolutely. That's the only safe way to protect data. Any disk drive
> with platters that are even remotely intact can still be r
On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 03:52:29PM +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> Colin J. Raven writes:
>
> CJR> I always thought that formatting/fdisk'ing twice completely erased
> CJR> *permanently* whatever had been on the disc.
>
> Information can be recovered from disks even after a dozen or more
> over
The recent discussion in this thread causes me to wonder
whether
FreeBSD's performance on older, slower equipment could be a
contributing
factor to why hardware vendors like Dell and ATI are willing to
provide only
limited support for LINUX and none at all for FreeBSD. After all, if
FreeB
> And anything that
> gets near internationalization on Unix or Linux, namely KDE and Gnome,
> requires even more powerful hardware than "Windoze" and probably still
> doesn't have the kind of local language integration that a localized
> version of Windows has.
Um... never had it work quite that
Anthony Atkielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050121 02:12]:
> Matthias Buelow writes:
> MB> Wake up from your pipe dreams. Shipping decommissioned computers to the
> MB> 3rd world is not going to solve any development problem.
> It helps solve an environmental problem, though. And they need not be
>
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Assuming one doesn't have the resources to do this, what might one do to
secure disk drives before disposal. I've thought of opening them up and
scratching the platters or chopping them into pieces (not sure how hard
this might be to do), or something. Home incineration i
> >Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> >> Indeed, someone in the Third World without the means to buy a new PC and
> >> an expensive Windows license could find a junk PC and install FreeBSD on
> >
> >And where do you think would they "find" this "junk PC"?
> >Don't you think that's a bit condescending?
> >
Matthew Seaman writes:
MS> If your drive contains or once contained military secrets, then in the
MS> USA and probably anywhere in the West, standard disposal procedure is
MS> that the drive be completely overwritten with specific patterns of
MS> random data several times, and then taken to a secu
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 23:11, Tim wrote:
> faisal gillani wrote:
> >hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz Athalon
> >with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
> >most of the time ..
> >i also have some windows server on my network but
> >thats a compulsory rather then choice .
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 23:11, Tim wrote:
> faisal gillani wrote:
> >hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz Athalon
> >with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
> >most of the time ..
> >i also have some windows server on my network but
> >thats a compulsory rather then choice .
Matthias Buelow writes:
MB> Wake up from your pipe dreams. Shipping decommissioned computers to the
MB> 3rd world is not going to solve any development problem.
It helps solve an environmental problem, though. And they need not be
shipped anywhere. It is sufficient to just continue using them,
On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 02:59:13PM +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote:
> I always thought that formatting/fdisk'ing twice completely erased
> *permanently* whatever had been on the disc. You make an interesting
> case that previously I never thought about in any detail.
By no means. You may need spe
Colin J. Raven writes:
CJR> I always thought that formatting/fdisk'ing twice completely erased
CJR> *permanently* whatever had been on the disc.
Information can be recovered from disks even after a dozen or more
overwrites. The data is never safe with the platters intact.
--
Anthony
Colin J. Raven writes:
CJR> Eh? Surely you don't meant trashed - physically annihilated?
Absolutely. That's the only safe way to protect data. Any disk drive
with platters that are even remotely intact can still be read.
I have yet to throw away any disk drives for this reason (can't find a
co
Giorgos Keramidas writes:
GK> This is likely too. Floppies have mechanical moving parts that are
GK> more prone to failure than other pieces of hardware.
The eerie part is that the diskette drive worked find right up until the
moment where I tried to boot from it. Now it doesn't seem to work at
Scott Bennett writes:
SB> The recent discussion in this thread causes me to wonder whether
SB> FreeBSD's performance on older, slower equipment could be a
SB> contributing factor to why hardware vendors like Dell and ATI are
SB> willing to provide only limited support for LINUX and none at all
SB>
Colin J. Raven wrote:
I always thought that formatting/fdisk'ing twice completely erased
*permanently* whatever had been on the disc. You make an interesting
case that previously I never thought about in any detail.
Thanks for real info from the field, it's definitely food for thought!
I am not
On Jan 20 at 14:55, Erik Norgaard launched this into the bitstream:
> Colin J. Raven wrote:
>
>> Eh? Surely you don't meant trashed - physically annihilated?
>> Phew! I believe in radical solutions certainly, but..umm..isn't that going
>> just a little bit too far? :-)
>> I'm assuming you mean de
Colin J. Raven wrote:
Eh? Surely you don't meant trashed - physically annihilated?
Phew! I believe in radical solutions certainly, but..umm..isn't that
going just a little bit too far? :-)
I'm assuming you mean destructively formatted...
You always have to classify the data and take appropriate me
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:55:39 -0600 (CST), Scott Bennett wrote
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:26:49 -0500 daniel quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >On January 19, 2005 03:06 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>
> >> Fac> I think the "junky old PC" market is just what the cur
Colin J. Raven wrote:
Eh? Surely you don't meant trashed - physically annihilated?
Phew! I believe in radical solutions certainly, but..umm..isn't that
going just a little bit too far? :-)
I'm assuming you mean destructively formatted...
Surely that depends on what was on them. The disks from Int
On Jan 20 at 12:53, Erik Norgaard opined:
> (personally I believe that harddisks should always be destroyed).
Eh? Surely you don't meant trashed - physically annihilated?
Phew! I believe in radical solutions certainly, but..umm..isn't that
going just a little bit too far? :-)
I'm assuming you me
Matthias Buelow wrote:
Apart from the fact that a person who speaks Arabic or
Indonesian, or Pashtu probably has little use for a "kewl-themed"
blackbox desktop, or something like that. That works for us
latin-script Unix geeks with a working knowledge of English but
certainly not for an avera
Scott Bennett wrote:
And so your preference would be that the machines should go to a landfill
rather than to someone who can't afford a computer at all?
Here in the Civilized World, we recycle the materials used in computers
(well, most of them), we don't throw them into the sea.
You s
On 2005-01-20 04:30, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Giorgos Keramidas writes:
>> I've seen Windows machines "lose" CD-ROM or floppy drives, on
>> perfectly working systems. You may find that booting the
>> installation CD-ROM of some FreeBSD version locates the floppy
>> drive just
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:09:10 +0100 Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>
>> Indeed, someone in the Third World without the means to buy a new PC and
>> an expensive Windows license could find a junk PC and install FreeBSD on
>
>And where do you think would they
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:26:49 -0500 daniel quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On January 19, 2005 03:06 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> Fac> I think the "junky old PC" market is just what the current FreeBSD
>> "team" Fac> is targeting.
>>
>> At least someone is t
Matthias Buelow writes:
MB> And where do you think would they "find" this "junk PC"?
The first world could send it to them, instead of throwing perfectly
good PCs into a landfill.
MB> Don't you think that's a bit condescending?
No, I think it's pretty realistic. Right now a lot of completely
u
Giorgos Keramidas writes:
GK> I've seen Windows machines "lose" CD-ROM or floppy drives, on perfectly
GK> working systems. You may find that booting the installation CD-ROM of
GK> some FreeBSD version locates the floppy drive just fine.
The problem is external to Windows. The machine won't even
Mike Jeays writes:
MJ> I presume you have tried changing the boot order in the BIOS settings?
MJ> You should be able to make the CD or floppy drive come ahead of the hard
MJ> disk in the boot sequence.
Yes, I've tried lots of stuff. It's a HP motherboard and apparently a
HP BIOS. I've tried all
> Since we're posting specs and such, my P3 800MHz. w/ 256 RAM does all I
> ask of it, with plenty of room to spare.
I have a few machines running FreeBSD. The first is a AMD 766mhz.
With about 768 Megs of ram. This box is used as a Nat / Firewall /
Dansguardian (AV) Proxy / Secondary DNS server
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
Indeed, someone in the Third World without the means to buy a new PC and
an expensive Windows license could find a junk PC and install FreeBSD on
And where do you think would they "find" this "junk PC"?
Don't you think that's a bit condescending?
Like, "let's give those neg
> Since we're posting specs and such, my P3 800MHz. w/ 256 RAM does all I
> ask of it, with plenty of room to spare.
AMD K6 350MHz
320 MB RAM
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faisal gillani wrote:
hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz Athalon
with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
most of the time ..
i also have some windows server on my network but
thats a compulsory rather then choice .
--- Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Jorn Argel
On 2005-01-19 21:10, Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm gradually migrating legacy aps off my older NT server and I think
> it might be extremely interesting to install FreeBSD on that machine
> once it is free--if only I could persuade it to boot from diskette
> (for some reason, t
On 01/19/05 03:17:22, faisal gillani wrote:
Well it has been almost a year now since I first tried
FreeBSD 5.2.1 on my production server :-) " I like
playing with danger" & since then it has been just
giving me 110% always forever ... my FreeBSD server is
responsible for transferring large media fi
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 15:10, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> faisal gillani writes:
>
> fg> hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz At halon
> fg> with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
> fg> most of the time ..
> fg> i also have some windows server on my network but
> fg> thats a comp
Anthony Atkielski wrote:
At least someone is thinking of it. There are a lot of PCs out there
that are still in perfect working order, but are too slow to run the
hugely bloated desktop operating systems (and the "server" versions
thereof) that are popular today. Efficient operating systems like
On January 19, 2005 03:06 pm, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Fac> I think the "junky old PC" market is just what the current FreeBSD
> "team" Fac> is targeting.
>
> At least someone is thinking of it. There are a lot of PCs out there
> that are still in perfect working or
faisal gillani writes:
fg> hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz At halon
fg> with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
fg> most of the time ..
fg> i also have some windows server on my network but
fg> thats a compulsory rather then choice .
I'm gradually migrating legacy aps off
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Fac> I think the "junky old PC" market is just what the current FreeBSD "team"
Fac> is targeting.
At least someone is thinking of it. There are a lot of PCs out there
that are still in perfect working order, but are too slow to run the
hugely bloated desktop operating s
hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz Athalon
with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
most of the time ..
i also have some windows server on my network but
thats a compulsory rather then choice .
--- Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Jorn Argelo writes:
>
> JA> E
hmmm exactly right .. u know i have a 750MHz At halon
with 256MB ram .. & still my processor is 80% idle
most of the time ..
i also have some windows server on my network but
thats a compulsory rather then choice .
--- Anthony Atkielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Jorn Argelo writes:
>
> JA>
In a message dated 1/19/05 2:27:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If I had to install a dozen more servers today, they would all get
FreeBSD. It makes extremely good use of whatever hardware you care to
give it. Indeed, FreeBSD can turn even junky old PCs into productive
sys
Jorn Argelo writes:
JA> Either way, I never want another server OS again. This is great.
If I had to install a dozen more servers today, they would all get
FreeBSD. It makes extremely good use of whatever hardware you care to
give it. Indeed, FreeBSD can turn even junky old PCs into productive
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:14:22 +0100, Anthony Atkielski wrote
> Xian writes:
>
> X> I installed FreeBSD on a machine with an Athlon 3200 that I
> accident under X> clocked to 1.4GHz. I didn't notice for quite a
> while as the performance was X> amazing any way. It didn't half go
> some when I put
On 2005-01-19, faisal gillani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Although I don't think FreeBSD with desktop OS but
> with server OS I more then recommend .
FreeBSD desktop has become better in the last 2 years. Thanks to
applications like:
Gnome
Evolution
OpenOffice and AbiWord
Firefox
Thunderbird
G
Xian writes:
X> I installed FreeBSD on a machine with an Athlon 3200 that I accident under
X> clocked to 1.4GHz. I didn't notice for quite a while as the performance was
X> amazing any way. It didn't half go some when I put the clock speed up to
X> 2.2GHz.
I think people nowadays forget how fast
Xian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050119 23:21]:
> On Wednesday 19 January 2005 08:17, faisal gillani wrote:
> > Well it has been almost a year now since I first tried
> > FreeBSD 5.2.1 on my production server :-) " I like
> I installed FreeBSD on a machine with an Athlon 3200 that I accident under
> cl
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 08:17, faisal gillani wrote:
> Well it has been almost a year now since I first tried
> FreeBSD 5.2.1 on my production server :-) " I like
> playing with danger" & since then it has been just
> giving me 110% always forever ... my FreeBSD server is
> responsible for tra
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