Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-20 Thread Allen
On 12/20/2011 2:53 AM, Da Rock wrote: > On 12/20/11 16:08, Allen wrote: >> On 12/13/2011 11:54 AM, Devin Teske wrote: >> *Snipping* >> On 12/13/11 06:00, Eric S Pulley wrote: >> As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their >> biggest failing! I've had a system locku

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-19 Thread Da Rock
On 12/20/11 16:08, Allen wrote: On 12/13/2011 11:54 AM, Devin Teske wrote: *Snipping* On 12/13/11 06:00, Eric S Pulley wrote: As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their biggest failing! I've had a system lockup due to lack of space. Never a problem with bsd as logs will o

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-19 Thread Allen
On 12/13/2011 11:54 AM, Devin Teske wrote: *Snipping* >> On 12/13/11 06:00, Eric S Pulley wrote: As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their biggest failing! I've had a system lockup due to lack of space. Never a problem with bsd as logs will only fill up var, a

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-17 Thread CyberLeo Kitsana
On 12/13/2011 10:54 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > We're seeing in 8.1-RELEASE that "nodev" is an invalid option for NFS mounts > that causes your system to boot into single-user mode. Is this still the case > in > 9.0-RC2/3 or has the option been re-added? "nodev" was a valid option in > 4.11-RELEASE,

RE: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-13 Thread Eric S Pulley
--On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 08:54:23 AM -0800 Devin Teske wrote: We're seeing in 8.1-RELEASE that "nodev" is an invalid option for NFS mounts that causes your system to boot into single-user mode. Is this still the case in 9.0-RC2/3 or has the option been re-added? "nodev" was a valid

RE: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-13 Thread Devin Teske
> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Da Rock > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:55 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: 9.0 install and journaling > > O

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-13 Thread Eric S Pulley
--On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 09:54:38 AM +1000 Da Rock wrote: On 12/13/11 06:00, Eric S Pulley wrote: As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their biggest failing! I've had a system lockup due to lack of space. Never a problem with bsd as logs will only fill up var, a u

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-12 Thread Da Rock
On 12/13/11 04:09, RW wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:42:52 +1000 Da Rock wrote: On 12/11/11 10:23, RW wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:17:41 +1000 Da Rock wrote: SUJ speeds up the check a lot, seconds as opposed to minutes. If something happens to the journal, it falls back to a standard fsck.

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-12 Thread Da Rock
On 12/13/11 06:00, Eric S Pulley wrote: As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their biggest failing! I've had a system lockup due to lack of space. Never a problem with bsd as logs will only fill up var, a user won't break it with filling up usr, etc. And root always stays pr

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-12 Thread Eric S Pulley
> > As for one big / partition- linux may be using it: and its their biggest > failing! I've had a system lockup due to lack of space. Never a problem > with bsd as logs will only fill up var, a user won't break it with > filling up usr, etc. And root always stays protected! Its saved my life > a n

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-12 Thread RW
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:42:52 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > On 12/11/11 10:23, RW wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:17:41 +1000 > > Da Rock wrote: > > > > > >>> SUJ speeds up the check a lot, seconds as opposed to minutes. If > >>> something happens to the journal, it falls back to a standard > >>> fsck.

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-11 Thread Da Rock
On 12/12/11 12:05, Foo JH wrote: On 11/12/2011 6:21 AM, Robison, Dave wrote: I prefer having separate partitions because it's more in line with traditional unix systems, and in particular, I don't like letting users have unlimited access to /tmp. Pardon the noob question: will using Disk Quota

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-11 Thread Foo JH
On 11/12/2011 6:21 AM, Robison, Dave wrote: I prefer having separate partitions because it's more in line with traditional unix systems, and in particular, I don't like letting users have unlimited access to /tmp. Pardon the noob question: will using Disk Quotas work to limit the damage http:

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Da Rock
On 12/11/11 10:23, RW wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:17:41 +1000 Da Rock wrote: SUJ speeds up the check a lot, seconds as opposed to minutes. If something happens to the journal, it falls back to a standard fsck. But fsck needs to be run manually- I have users that can't do that, and the file

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread RW
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:17:41 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > > SUJ speeds up the check a lot, seconds as opposed to minutes. If > > something happens to the journal, it falls back to a standard fsck. > But fsck needs to be run manually- I have users that can't do that, > and the filesystem corrupts. Erg

RE: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Robison, Dave
>True. But as a new user it was the separate partitions that attracted >me, having been burned with linux's megaroot. And a new user would have >trouble setting up the partitions. Not to mention the break with >tradition (what is happening to this world)! :) I prefer having separate partitions be

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Da Rock
On 12/11/11 08:14, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Da Rock wrote: GPT is cool - no problems there. The main thing I want to know is if I need to run fsck every time the system dies unexpectedly (which is a higher occurrence on a laptop)? GJournal helps in that it takes care of that.

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Da Rock wrote: GPT is cool - no problems there. The main thing I want to know is if I need to run fsck every time the system dies unexpectedly (which is a higher occurrence on a laptop)? GJournal helps in that it takes care of that. The growing size of drives is another co

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Da Rock
On 12/11/11 08:02, Manolis Kiagias wrote: On 10/12/2011 11:41 μμ, Da Rock wrote: On 12/11/11 02:09, Manolis Kiagias wrote: On 10/12/2011 5:19 μμ, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, R Skinner wrote: So I went to the handbook. I'm still a little confused though: can one still setup the u

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Manolis Kiagias
On 10/12/2011 11:41 μμ, Da Rock wrote: On 12/11/11 02:09, Manolis Kiagias wrote: On 10/12/2011 5:19 μμ, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, R Skinner wrote: So I went to the handbook. I'm still a little confused though: can one still setup the usr and var (and so forth)? It said you pos

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Da Rock
On 12/11/11 02:09, Manolis Kiagias wrote: On 10/12/2011 5:19 μμ, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, R Skinner wrote: So I went to the handbook. I'm still a little confused though: can one still setup the usr and var (and so forth)? It said you possibly could, but it escaped me as to how

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Manolis Kiagias
On 10/12/2011 5:19 μμ, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, R Skinner wrote: So I went to the handbook. I'm still a little confused though: can one still setup the usr and var (and so forth)? It said you possibly could, but it escaped me as to how. Use the bsdinstall partition editor to

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Warren Block
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, R Skinner wrote: So I went to the handbook. I'm still a little confused though: can one still setup the usr and var (and so forth)? It said you possibly could, but it escaped me as to how. Use the bsdinstall partition editor to manually create the partitions. I documente

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Arto Pekkanen
On 10.12.2011 15:44, Da Rock wrote: So how does soft-update journaling compare to gjournal? I'm using gjournal now and it runs a bit of a dog, but it is reliable (until another ufs filesystem turns up at boot) and necessary in my environment. Can I dump it for this new one? Its used on a laptop

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Da Rock
On 12/10/11 22:20, RW wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:40:53 + Frank Shute wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 07:51:50PM +1000, R Skinner wrote: possibly could, but it escaped me as to how. And before I do- I looked up journaling on 9. I couldn't quite get to the bottom of whether it is or isn't

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread RW
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:40:53 + Frank Shute wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 07:51:50PM +1000, R Skinner wrote: > > possibly could, but it escaped me as to how. And before I do- I > > looked up journaling on 9. I couldn't quite get to the bottom of > > whether it is or isn't available/standard

Re: 9.0 install and journaling

2011-12-10 Thread Frank Shute
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 07:51:50PM +1000, R Skinner wrote: > > I bit the bullet and installed the rc3, after spending half the day > fighting to get atheros 9285 working on a new laptop. I have to do > another as well, so... > > After recovering myself from the shock of the new bsdinstall (not b