Re: [Fwd: Re: KDE: What a monster!]

2009-01-29 Thread Akenner
Anders Troback wrote: Den Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:38:18 -0500 skrev Akenner : I've been watching this thread for a while now and have seen some things used I haven't even heard of before. What is AHWM? http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~ahiorean/ahwm/ Thank you! ___

Re: [Fwd: Re: KDE: What a monster!]

2009-01-29 Thread Anders Troback
Den Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:38:18 -0500 skrev Akenner : > I've been watching this thread for a while now and have seen some > things used I haven't even heard of before. What is AHWM? > http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~ahiorean/ahwm/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content

[Fwd: Re: KDE: What a monster!]

2009-01-29 Thread Akenner
I've been watching this thread for a while now and have seen some things used I haven't even heard of before. What is AHWM? I personally use a myriad of Window Managers and Desktops on my machines. this is m set up: Main Desktop #1: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ / 512 MBs RAM / Crappy onboard video an

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-29 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 06:15:09PM +, RW wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:52:31 +0100 (CET) > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > for X window system just use some small windows manager that (as > > name suggest) manages windows on screen and JUST START program you > > use. > > IMO these basic wind

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-28 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:17:06 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > that's why i bought it for ca 50$ USED, already had 86000 pages printed, > and i printed about 35000. On my printer, the page counter has stuck / turned over and does show that approx. 1500 pages have been printed. Hey, I could

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-28 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I didn't know links had agraphics mode... time to checkt this out! start with -g option, of course select X11 support on port config well i have laserjet 4 and use ghostscript+lpr. can't help you. I still have a Laserjet 4 (my first printer), I got it as a present, never treated it kindly

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 03:18:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +, RW wrote: > > IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a > > keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically. > > Well, I found this a problem, too, but

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:35:05 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > Whether or not it helps others, I'm using netbeans because its very > helpful (code completion, auto help dialogs- can be annoying but > manageable) in that it reminds me of what else is in a large system of > code, and it handles many differen

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:04:08 + (UTC), Dave Feustel wrote: > I have gotten very interested in window managers. Earlier tonight > I added links to about 6 non-mainstream window managers, including > WindowMaker. > But I still don't understand how the menus of each of these WMs are customized >

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Da Rock
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 03:57 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:36:22 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > > "programming environment"? what do you mean? > > Some "heler application" for integration and managing source > files, such as KDevelop, Eclipse or the like. Whether or

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:58:11 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > do you have opera 7 package somewhere? i would like to downgrade. > yes it got very bad. I think I have a working Opera 7 installation on my old-fashioned laptop (FreeBSD 5), and if I've got the /usr/ports tree still there, maybe

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Dave Feustel
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 03:18:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +, RW wrote: > > IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a > > keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically. > > Well, I found this a problem, too, but

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:36:34 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > That said I'm using xfce4 > (based on your comments) adjusted to use transparency and all the cool > stuff (even compiz-fusion, which I haven't yet found a use for so its > disabled atm). Maybe this is interesting or inpiring to you: Hmmm...

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:36:22 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > "programming environment"? what do you mean? Some "heler application" for integration and managing source files, such as KDevelop, Eclipse or the like. > unix itself is THE BEST (tm) programming environment i've ever seen, wit

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Polytropon
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:15:09 +, RW wrote: > IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a > keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically. Well, I found this a problem, too, but very early recognized that there are window managers that can actuall

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Leave all this colorful whistles to average monkey. Ok, call me monkey average then :) Yes i do. Only this monkey is starting to work on drivers for FreeBSD And first wasting half of it's time for all this "cool stuff" instead of work on drivers! Of course we are happy someone works

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
worse, if I compare them to older versions. And if I try to print pages, they look terrible (exceed page borders). Furthermore, it crashes more often than Opera 5 or 7. When do you have opera 7 package somewhere? i would like to downgrade. yes it got very bad. Ah yes, and Firefox doesn't have

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
long-time. Another fair comment, but they were still competing with Vista to the punch and only just made it- consider the media releases around the time of the Vista launch from the kde marketers. They were offering kde on M $! let they compete how much as they like. be happy at least in this

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 17:52 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the default, > > or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there wouldn't have > > been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS is the pervasive > > attitude th

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:53:51 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: fortunately it's only tendency to "trendy" software like KDE. not for all unix software. But sadly for the most software that is used for real productivity, such as media players, programming environments, or even web browsers

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 16:04 +, RW wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:56:15 +1000 > Da Rock wrote: > > > > I'm also ashamed that they released it in a hurry to compete in this > > condition to a very sceptical Window$ crowd. > > People have to use KDE4 in significant numbers for it to mature.

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread RW
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:52:31 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the > > default, or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there > > wouldn't have been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS > > is the pervasive att

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
had either followed the Debian approach of keeping KDE3 as the default, or the FreeBSD approach of leaving it up to the user there wouldn't have been such a problem. One of the worst aspect of OSS is the pervasive attitude that software is either bleeding-edge, or it's obsolete. it's not OSS pro

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread RW
On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:56:15 +1000 Da Rock wrote: > I'm also ashamed that they released it in a hurry to compete in this > condition to a very sceptical Window$ crowd. People have to use KDE4 in significant numbers for it to mature. The real problem was not that they released it, but that Linu

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
card because the latest NVidia binary driver doesn't support it). KDE3.5 does what I want my window manager to do - keeps out of my way and works snappily enough that I don't notice it. The claim that KDE4 is faster than KDE3 is frankly incredible to me. fastest and most stable is not using it a

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-27 Thread Wojciech Puchar
to me like they've gone to compete with Vista and have succeeded there, but I find some of the little extras and the core of it seem unfinished somehow. The concept is good (in that it could compete with Vista), but no it's bad. if they wat compete with windows, let they do the whole OS, and on

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-26 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 08:31 +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 26 January 2009 17:02:05 n j wrote: > > Linus Torvalds on KDE4... > > > > [quote] > > > > A: I used to be a KDE user. I thought KDE 4.0 was such a disaster I > > switched to GNOME. I hate the fact that my right button doesn't do

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-26 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Monday 26 January 2009 17:02:05 n j wrote: > Linus Torvalds on KDE4... > > [quote] > > A: I used to be a KDE user. I thought KDE 4.0 was such a disaster I > switched to GNOME. I hate the fact that my right button doesn't do > what I want it to do. But the whole "break everything" model is > pain

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-26 Thread n j
Linus Torvalds on KDE4... [quote] Q: Another open source project that underwent a big change was KDE with version 4.0. They released a lot of fundamental architectural changes with 4.0 and it received some negative reviews. As a KDE user how has this impacted you? A: I used to be a KDE user. I th

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-26 Thread Polytropon
Dear list, I'm starting to make myself unpopular today. :-) On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:53:51 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > fortunately it's only tendency to "trendy" software like KDE. not for all > unix software. But sadly for the most software that is used for real productivity, such as

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Without wanting to start an endless discussion, I may say that I've recognized the tendency to slow down programs in UNIX world such as it is always described in "Windows" land: As soon as you get a new OS or new programs, everything runs slower than before. In order to keep the "overall usage sp

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-24 Thread Akenner
prad wrote: :D :D :D actually my wife is using kde4 on suse. it's not too bad there for her needs at least, but i try to stay clear of her computer :D i did like kde3, but now i'm a dwm person! I've been using KDE4 on a machine with OpenSUSE 11 that has 512 MBs RAM, and an AMD Athlon XP 2600

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-24 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:15:47 -0500, Eduardo Cerejo wrote: > I just finished installing kde4, and it can barely run on my old p4 machine! > Where has kde gone? Is the developing team trying to beat VISTA? > Pitiful at best! Without wanting to start an endless discussion, I may say that I've reco

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-24 Thread Wojciech Puchar
cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/evilwm && make install clean Can't beat a window manager with a binary size of 29k and a resident memory footprint under 2MB. No window decorations, leaving lots of room memory footprint is much lower actually. you probably looked at "RSS" in top. but it shows everythin

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-23 Thread RW
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:15:47 -0500 Eduardo Cerejo wrote: > I just finished installing kde4, and it can barely run on my old p4 > machine! Where has kde gone? I think kde3 is going to be around for some time to come. Hopefully kde4 will have improved by the time it's phased-out. __

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-23 Thread Geoff Fritz
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 07:15:47PM -0500, Eduardo Cerejo wrote: > I just finished installing kde4, and it can barely run on my old p4 > machine! Where has kde gone? Is the developing team trying to beat VISTA? > Pitiful at best! Try: cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/evilwm && make install clean Can't b

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-23 Thread prad
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:25:12 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > Now Microsoft can say "AndYou all told that linux is so much > better, but now we see the truth" > :D :D :D actually my wife is using kde4 on suse. it's not too bad there for her needs at least, but i try to stay clear of her c

Re: KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I just finished installing kde4, and it can barely run on my old p4 machine! Where has kde gone? Is the developing team trying to beat VISTA? Pitiful at best! Now Microsoft can say "AndYou all told that linux is so much better, but now we see the truth" anyway what a sense of using it u

KDE: What a monster!

2009-01-23 Thread Eduardo Cerejo
I just finished installing kde4, and it can barely run on my old p4 machine! Where has kde gone? Is the developing team trying to beat VISTA? Pitiful at best! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/fr