Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-15 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Dec 14), Scott Robbins said: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 04:15:34PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Friday, 13 December 2002 at 23:05:57 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: > > > ... is that if one moves a computer from one location to another, > > > the switch seems to take its

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-15 Thread Jim Arnold
At 10:07 PM -0800 12/12/02, Gary D Kline wrote: Hi People, Before I (potentially) throw aay some bills, I thought I'd ask the hardware-savvy if there is any appreciable difference between makes of hubs. After 5 years I am getting ready to move up to a 10/100 RJ-45 hub. I've got a 5-port L

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-15 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2002-12-15T02:07:33Z, Bsd Neophyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For example, a new catalyst 2912, depending on options, will run you > between $2000-$5200, while a 12 port fast ethernet hub will run you about > $200-$300. For maximum cost savings, build a cheap (< $400) FreeBSD server with t

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-14 Thread Bsd Neophyte
--- Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BTW, I don't know if your switch is configured for cut-through > > switching or store-and-forward. If it is set for store-and-forward, > > I'd suggest you change it to cut-through. > > I don't care. We're looking at a difference of 200 µs he

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-14 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Saturday, 14 December 2002 at 18:07:33 -0800, Bsd Neophyte wrote: > > --- Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm not sure you meant to write what you did, but I'm not 100% I >> understand. But yes, latency isn't an issue. Even if it is, switches >> still win. > > My point is tha

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-14 Thread Bsd Neophyte
--- Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not sure you meant to write what you did, but I'm not 100% I > understand. But yes, latency isn't an issue. Even if it is, switches > still win. My point is that generic switches are not faster than hubs, because of the added latency asso

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-14 Thread David Kelly
On Saturday 14 December 2002 07:25 pm, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > I tried a test here between two machines on my network. In each > case, the data went via the Cisco 2900 switch and then either via a > hub or a second switch. The remote machine has a 10 Mb/s interface. > Here are the results

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-14 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Saturday, 14 December 2002 at 5:43:54 -0800, Bsd Neophyte wrote: > > --- Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've seen little difference. But DON"T BUY A HUB! Buy a switch >> instead. They'll give you better performance, and they hardly cost >> any more. > > i have to be the vo

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Scott Robbins
On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 04:15:34PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 13 December 2002 at 23:05:57 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: > > > > ... is that if one moves a computer > > from one location to another, the switch seems to > >take its time flushing > > its tables and the box won't i

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Friday, Dec 13, 2002, at 20:08 US/Pacific, Mike Hogsett wrote: I saw a test a few months ago of several low-end switches, and they were all non-blocking with similar performance. Pretty much a commodity item at this point. On refelection, makes me wonder why I spent $5000 on Cisco 2900

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Friday, 13 December 2002 at 23:05:57 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 09:48:50PM -0600, Tillman wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 02:11:31PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>> I've seen little difference. But DON"T BUY A HUB! Buy a switch >>> instead. They'll give you

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Friday, 13 December 2002 at 21:48:50 -0600, Tillman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 02:11:31PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> I've seen little difference. But DON"T BUY A HUB! Buy a switch >> instead. They'll give you better performance, and they hardly cost >> any more. > > Great advi

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Brian
yeah that was in pc magazine, they divided em up into lo medium and hi priced categories as well.. Bri - Original Message - From: "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:57 P

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Mike Hogsett
> I saw a test a few months ago of several low-end switches, and they > were all non-blocking with similar performance. Pretty much a > commodity item at this point. On refelection, makes me wonder why I spent $5000 on Cisco 2900 switches 5 years ago. - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to [

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Doug Reynolds
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:05:57 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: >On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 09:48:50PM -0600, Tillman wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 02:11:31PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> > I've seen little difference. But DON"T BUY A HUB! Buy a switch >> > instead. They'll give you better pe

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Scott Robbins
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 09:48:50PM -0600, Tillman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 02:11:31PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > I've seen little difference. But DON"T BUY A HUB! Buy a switch > > instead. They'll give you better performance, and they hardly cost > > any more. > > Great advic

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Friday, Dec 13, 2002, at 19:41 US/Pacific, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I have three switches in my network: a Cisco 2900 (24 ports), a Netgear FS105 (5 ports) and a D-Link DSS-8+ (8 ports), in rapidly decreasing order of cost. I've never had any trouble with any of them. It's possible that t

Re: Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Tillman
On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 02:11:31PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I've seen little difference. But DON"T BUY A HUB! Buy a switch > instead. They'll give you better performance, and they hardly cost > any more. Great advice. It looks like Cisco has even stopped listing hubs for sale - layer

Hubs and switches (was: uninformed qstn...)

2002-12-13 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Thursday, 12 December 2002 at 22:07:19 -0800, Gary D Kline wrote: > > Hi People, > Before I (potentially) throw aay some bills, I thought I'd > ask the hardware-savvy if there is any appreciable difference > between makes of hubs. > > After 5 years I am getting read