Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-22 Thread Gary Kline
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 06:22:59AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Oct 20 15:04:17 2010 > > From: Mike Jeays > > To: Bob Hall , > > FreeBSD Mailing List > > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:34 -0400 > >

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-22 Thread David Brodbeck
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: > Dredging up physics unused for 30+ years, ferrite is ferromagnetic and > intensifies magnetic fields so a coil of wire with ferrite inside is a > massively bigger inductor then an empty coil. I vaguely remember that brass > is slightly diamag

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Henry Olyer
My first machine was an IBM 1620, but hey, at least we had an actual disk. A couple of 2311's. To quote a fellow I used to consult for, two days' I had solved a particularly nasty programming problem for his company, "But what have you done for us lately?" On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:57 AM, RW

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread RW
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:32:23 +0100 Arthur Chance wrote: > On 10/21/10 13:38, RW wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 > > Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > > >> 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by > >> inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Alex Stangl
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 01:38:44PM +0100, RW wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 > Arthur Chance wrote: > > 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by > > inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board. > > I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rath

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/21/10 13:38, RW wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 Arthur Chance wrote: 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board. I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rather than brass/empty or ferrite/em

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread RW
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 Arthur Chance wrote: > 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by > inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board. I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rather than brass/empty or ferrite/empty.

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 21 02:18:28 2010 > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:20:07 +0100 > From: Arthur Chance > To: FreeBSD-Questions > Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) > > On 10/20/10 23:07, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Oct 20 15:04:17 2010 > From: Mike Jeays > To: Bob Hall , > FreeBSD Mailing List > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:34 -0400 > Cc: > Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) > > On October 20, 2010 03:46:0

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread krad
On 20 October 2010 21:10, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> >>> On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Matthi

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi, Reference: > From: David Brodbeck > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:58:40 -0700 > Message-id: David Brodbeck wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: > > On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: > > Getting back to reality, although I never did it (fortunately

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread perryh
"Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" wrote: > On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline > >> escribi?: > >>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > >>> 780 days :-)

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/20/10 23:07, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:10:28PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:25:14PM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > And I'm appalled that my phone has more horsepower than a dual-cpu VAX > 11/780 with a floating-point accelerator. That just doesn't seem right. What I find appalling is that most of the extra power on my smartphone is wasted on

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Rich Kulawiec
Unix, v6, on a PDP-11 (although I can't recall which model), circa 1977. Got away from it for a bit, then landed in the middle of the v6-v7 shift and the BSD takeover a couple of years later. Still recall being amazed by the Fujitsu Eagle ("small" form factor, "large" capacity). And I'm appalled

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:10:28PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: > >On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >>On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > >>>On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Matthi

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread David Brodbeck
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: > Getting back to reality, although I never did it (fortunately), a friend of > mine who was about a decade older than me (I'm mid/late 50s) had the > experience of programming microcode on a machine by inse

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gar

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Jeays
On October 20, 2010 03:46:06 pm Bob Hall wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: > > >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: > >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline > >>> escribi?:

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Tim Daneliuk
On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline >>> escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32:58AM +0200, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: > On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline > >> escribi?: > >>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware st

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline > > escribi?: > > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > > 780 days :-) > > I booted my first

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:47:38 -0700 > From: per...@pluto.rain.com > Sender: owner-freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline > > escribi?: > > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Jerry Dunham
On 20 Oct 2010 at 10:32, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: > On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline > >> escribi?: > >>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in th

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Jeays
On October 20, 2010 03:47:38 am per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: > > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > > 780 days :-) > > > > I booted my first UNIX V7 ta

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/20/10 09:32, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX 780 d

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Matthias Apitz wrote: >> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: >>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX >>> 780 days :-) >> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 aro

Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread perryh
Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: > > PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > 780 days :-) > I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34