In a message dated 11/1/04 12:47:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> "Yes Use 5.x"! is not technical "help".
>
> "Don't use 5.x because its slow" IS technical help. You guys just dont
> want anyone to say it.
>
I'm not about to get into whether or not these 2 things are or
In a message dated 11/1/04 1:36:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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On Sunday 31 October 2004 08:54 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I know who Kris is. I respect and appreciate his contributions. I
> don't respect
> being lied to. And I don't respect the unconditional rejection
> Are you certain that its not NFS that's locking up? Certainly the use
> of NFS muddies the issue, as it doesnt like losing packets and isn't
> very eloquent in its handling of adversity.
"I'm positive. The machine itself locks up. I cannot ctrl+alt+del, can't
switch VCs; it freezes. NFS isn't
In a message dated 10/31/04 12:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Hi
>The oid you are talking about is not valid in FreeBSD-4. Maybe you are
>talking about FreeBSD-5 sysctl oids? But it does worth to try but I am not
>sure which oid it is in FreeBSD 4..
>REGARDS
>P
In a message dated 10/31/04 11:56:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>After upgrading from 5.2.1 to 5.3-RC1 (including a recompile of all
>ports), I noticed my system locking up when there was a high network
>load. A common way to reproduce this is to run a BiTTorrent client a
In a message dated 10/31/04 11:03:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>but never come across with a problem like that. I am thinking to use Zend
>Optimizer. Maybe that helps me ..
>
>If that doesn't help I was thinking to run sql on a seperate machine.
You might try tuning k
In a message dated 10/31/04 5:00:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> No one is forcing you to read anything. I never copy you on
> anythere,
>
>I'm not sure what "anythere" means, but by sending messages to the
>mailing list, you're copying Kris and everybody else who is on th
>As in your previous post on the subject, I
>find it no where near as slow as you have stated. For one who couldn't
>figure out how to compile without the witness options and various other
>debug stuff into the kernel and base system, it prolly would be slower.
>After I took this stuff out of the b
> > Many of the new MBs from such tiny vendors as Dell and Supermicro
> > are based on the 7520, and word is that FreeBSD 4.x doesn't support
> > it. Is support forthcoming?
>
> We have 2 Dell PowerEdge 1850 servers which have the e7520 chipset. They
> hang consistently in 4.10-RELEASE and below w
>> Again, the reality is that none of this (the existence of some
>> products that
>> exist as binary modules) harm the community. They offer choices for users,
>> and the more choices the better. What a horrible place the world would be
>> without TiVo (who never would have done the work if they c
In a message dated 10/29/04 3:27:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> I just voiced my opinion. If you want to use them, feel free. Use 5.2.1.
>>with the rl driver. Have the slowest server on the block. What do
>> I care?
>A lot, apparently; if you didn't care you wouldn't
In a message dated 10/29/04 3:54:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Its equally "preposterous" for the GPLers to claim that anything that
> works
> with any O/S is owned by the owner of the OS as a "derivative work".
> But
> they do, and they will, because it suits them.
>
In a message dated 10/29/04 12:38:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
>
> > The GPL and Linux don't care if you link into their system libraries,
> > they expect that which is why the system libraries are LGPLd
...
> If I write a piece of code that uses a defined interface,
In a message dated 10/29/04 1:13:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> >RealTek 8129/8139 Fast Ethernet NICs ( rl(4) driver)
>>
>> Check the driver source. Any driver witten by Bill Paul
>> should be avoided
>> if possible.
>
>
>What the hell man. Do you have anything better
> > The problem with dummynet is that once you do all the work and figure
> > it all
> > out,
> > its still only marginally functional compared to something relatively
> > inexpensive.
> > So instead of buying the $3500 box that is everything you need, you've
> > spend
> > $800
> > on hardware, $
> > The problem with dummynet is that once you do all the work and figure
> > it all
> > out,
> > its still only marginally functional compared to something relatively
> > inexpensive.
> > So instead of buying the $3500 box that is everything you need, you've
> > spend
> > $800
> > on hardware, $
In a message dated 10/29/04 12:13:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>quick sho> I want to buy a NIC and I want it to be compatible
>> with FreeBSD.
>> Is RealTek 8139 compatible with FreeBsd ?
>
>> rt answer : yes
>long answer:
>see hardware notes' it is listed there.
>
>R
In a message dated 10/29/04 2:12:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Linus is just a big dope anyway, so who cares what he thinks? He's like
> Kerry. He thinks whatever is convenient for him to think at the time.
>And RMS is a lot like Bush who says whatever is convenient for
In a message dated 10/28/04 9:16:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> But then, I'm not sure (and I mean it) if there can be any piece of
> software which, if designed for e.g. Linux, can be written w/o using any
> system headers, libraries or whatsoever.
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In a message dated 10/29/04 9:13:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>The boss pays his sysadmin every week, no matter what. The Boss
>>expects that the systems will runs with the least overall cost.
>>Sometimes that means buying something, sometimes that means
configuring
>>
In a message dated 10/29/04 2:10:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> the GPL. I seem to recall the discussion was about nVidia's closed
> source, binary only drivers but, according to Linus, affects all similar
> products. I'm unsure if and how this issue is being dealt with
In a message dated 10/29/04 5:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Then you either know nothing about programming or nothing about their
> products. Do you think they do gigabit bandwidth management, with
> features not in the kernel, from user space?
>That's not what I me
In a message dated 10/29/04 8:26:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>The boss pays his sysadmin every week, no matter what. The Boss
>expects that the systems will runs with the least overall cost.
>Sometimes that means buying something, sometimes that means configuring
>what
In a message dated 10/28/04 6:42:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Definition of a Moron:
>
> "Someone with no sense of humor". :)
>No, it is more like someone who wastes everyone's time with useless
>junk just to irritate people. Try doing some real work.
Coming from a
In a message dated 10/28/04 6:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>As far as being "nowhere as good as you can buy", take a WatchGuard Firebox
>X1000 for example, they're pretty popular because they work. People that use
>them always tell me they prefer them to any *Nix based
>The definition of a troll:
>
>" A purposely stupid, inflammatory, or downright wrong article
>(closely related to flamebait). Its purpose is to get people mad
>and make them look stupid and gullible"
Definition of a Moron:
"Someone with no sense of humor". :)
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I agree with some of that, but unless the person has th
In a message dated 10/28/04 4:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I don't think that Allot modifies the Linux kernel. I wouldn't expect
>them to do so and I don't see an obvious reason why they should (*).
>Obviously some of their custom stuff needs to run inside kernel,
In a message dated 10/28/04 12:52:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>Funny, I thought that's what Dummynet did. It seems that you wouldn't
>want to steer a user into a horribly overpriced closed-source
>rate-limiting solutuion when it's available for free in the OS.
>BTW: N
In a message dated 10/28/04 2:49:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Listen pal, there's are reason this stuff is free; figure it out for
yourself!
>Dear troll,
I notice that you conveniently omitted the smiley, you uptight loser. Relax
a
bit and get off the sauce.
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Why don't you guys stop torturing yourself and wasting $1000s worth
of your time and get yourself some real bandwidth management
software? Its cheaper in the long run.
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In a message dated 10/16/04 5:27:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Hello,
>
>After looking at the FreeBSD website and looking at docs all over the place,
>I havent found what I'm looking for, so I decided to mail this list.
>I am a software developer for Windows, and moving
In a message dated 10/27/04 12:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>If you buy a product what would you want ? A pretty box or pretty
>software ? Finishing the product is just marketing and trying to make
>a very pretty box to put the software in. When something is open
>sour
In a message dated 10/27/04 4:55:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Would you please use any form of quoting character to prefix the qouted
lines of your reply? Any style would suffice. It's very hard to read your
emails without."
-
Welcome to AOL my friend :)
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In a message dated 10/27/04 4:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is yet another example of the GPL license flaw. While any of the
copyright holders of the Linux kernel could sue Allot, if they don't,
it pretty much builds evidence that is going to help those that
would
In a message dated 10/27/04 6:49:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Where can i find a step by step upgrade method (from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.2.1)?
Sorry if I seem lazy, but is somehow urgent (because a Plesk interface
must be installed).
Please post any link you think might be us
In a message dated 10/26/04 3:38:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>The fact that Cisco does something wrong doesn't somehow make it right for
>Windows. It's not a good excuse either.
Its the way it is, and the way its always been.
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In a message dated 10/26/04 2:26:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Foundation, who is the copyright holder of the GPL license itself.
> In fact, the FSF advises authors to transfer copyright rights of their
> work to the FSF to avoid these problems.
>Ah, so your point is th
In a message dated 10/26/04 10:07:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[much snippage]
>Nonsense, if you ask me. For many reasons:
>
>a. Windows doesn't work nicely even for small networks most of the time.
>
>It's not the size of the network that matters. It's the nature of t
In a message dated 10/26/04 2:32:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually a more interesting example is some of the Linksys routers
do indeed use an embedded Linux along with Zebra as the routing engine.
Ted
Or Allot communications, who openly advertise the use of linux, b
In a message dated 10/26/04 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If you think that administering a Windows server is so simple then
> answer the following test:
>
> How do you lock down an Exchange 5.5 server to prevent a spammer from
> using it as a relay.
>
So who was
In a message dated 10/25/04 1:37:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And this differs from your experience in the Windows world...how? :-)
>>
>>>I'm not sure I understand your question. Rephrase or make it more
>>>specific, because answering to such a vague question is poi
In a message dated 10/25/04 1:08:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> And this differs from your experience in the Windows world...how? :-)
>I'm not sure I understand your question. Rephrase or make it more
>specific, because answering to such a vague question is pointless.
In a message dated 10/25/04 11:48:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> There's also less documentation, fewer resources, etc. So its more difficult
> to be proficient in unix than in windows.
>
>what are you talking about "less documentation" for Unix?!? What
>"Unix" are you
In a message dated 10/24/04 5:54:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I know more than a
> few people,
> small businessmen mostly, who have been completely screwed because their
> almost
> totally incompetent unix tech guy left the company.
>
Ted wrote...
>For every small bus
In a message dated 10/24/04 11:18:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >Is that new? You are right, that fixed it, but didn't think
> I had to do
> >that before :(
> You get it because the guy who maintains ifconfig didn't have
> the foresight
> to realize the "alias" shoul
In a message dated 10/25/04 4:21:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > But equally important is the ability to join back forks, when/if some
> > group finds the right solution to a problem. And that's where the
> > GPL comes in: you can really think of the whole license as n
In a message dated 10/19/04 3:51:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
>> # ifconfig fxp0 alias 200.46.204.9
>> ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists
>>
>> when I know for a fact that it hasn't been configured?
>
> you should use a netmask of 255.255.255.255 for ipv4 aliases
In a message dated 10/23/04 11:27:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>I have tried searching for this but i only get reports made by students
>and private programmers, i trust a programmer more than a large
>corporation any day but to show a person i know and convince him i
Many of the new MBs from such tiny vendors as Dell and Supermicro
are based on the 7520, and word is that FreeBSD 4.x doesn't support
it. Is support forthcoming?
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In a message dated 10/20/04 9:19:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> If those things are taking a while to be there, does fbsd have any
>> kernel patches like linux does to improve desktop performance? For
>> example like: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/
>
>
I don't see how they can possible consider the "Release" of an O/S version
when perhaps the most widely-available NIC (em) doesn't work.
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In a message dated 10/9/04 3:26:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 9:14 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Note that it also took quite a
If both NICs are on the same network then you should set up bridging, not
routing. Although some system may kludge it, the entire point of routing is that
different network segments have different addresses.
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In a message dated 10/11/04 7:02:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I hope you're not betting your business on these questions, because
> the reality is that 1) they're not very good questions and 2) the
> people who are answering them can't really know the answers.
> "stable
In a message dated 10/9/04 6:25:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> 1. By Sep 2005, do you think 5.x performance will be optimized and be
>> comparable to today's 4.x stable versions ?
>5.3 is supposed to be stable, and it's expected to be on part with 4.x
performance, and
In a message dated 10/9/04 12:56:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>"I just hope that pounding packets through a socket and
>timing mySQL selects aren't the entirety of OUR team's arsenal."
>And it's not just this sentence although this is one of the most
>blatent. You are
In a message dated 10/9/04 1:15:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>dang, how long is this thread gonna go on? Is it that important? I see
>a lot of good questions and equally good answers on this list, but I
>think this particular thread is starting to stoop beneath us all..
In a message dated 10/8/04 2:25:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> You guys are the ones making the claims that 5.3 is "going to be
> so great". I just wonder how you come to that conclusion if you
> don't have any definitive tests. I dont have a release to test, so
> when i
In a message dated 10/8/04 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kris and all,
Sorry for the top post but would you quit feeding the trolls?
Ted Mittelstaedt
PS: TM, shut up and post some benchmarks proving your side of
the argument. Not that we would believe them but
In a message dated 10/8/04 2:42:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Here is a thought.
> Why would they be running a pre-production release as a production
> server
> I have no idea what yahoo does, but I think it would be irrespondsible
> for them to attempt using 5.x on
In a message dated 10/7/04 4:06:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Here's one benchmark, showing UDP packet/second generation
rate from userland on a dual xeon machine under various
target loads:
Desired Optimal 5.x-UP 5.x-SMP 4.x-UP 4.x-SMP
5 5000
In a message dated 10/7/04 1:15:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:41:28PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 10/7/04 10:17:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, obscurity
Kris
> writes:
> Well, it's vast :)
> Kris
> We're waiting..5.3 is
In a message dated 10/7/04 10:17:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, obscurity Kris
writes:
Well, it's vast :)
Kris
We're waiting..5.3 is in beta and ready for your tests. Other benchmarks
show very good results compared to 4.x.
Kris
--
Quite a bunch of scienti
In a message dated 10/6/04 6:47:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:42:24PM -0400, Bigelow, Andrea L. wrote:
> Where's the documentation? I'd like to see this for myself.
There is none, because Mr./Ms. TM4525 is making up his/her &q
Considering that its been well documented and admitted that 5.x is 1/3 the
speed of 4.x at this point, do you really think they've migrated production
boxes?
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In a message dated 10/3/04 4:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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>Excuse me while I shred it before the Secret Service comes knocking on
>my door...
Is the secret service in charge of counterfiting now? (as you can see no
formal education is required to be an SA)
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Some Advice,
There are many things in life that seem like daunting tasks, some of them
worthwhile, some not. But its the goal beyond the task that should be the
deciding factor. "Learning unix" is not a reason. Its like saying you want to
have children just for the sake of having them. Why do you
In a message dated 9/30/04 2:04:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> Which release of FreeBSD is best for a production environment? I am aware of
> the different branches of development: CURRENT, STABLE, RELEASE and I
> *think* I understand the meaning of each from what I have
In a message dated 9/30/04 12:03:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Perhaps at this point you should go and do that, and avoid yourself
>any further embarrassment.
I have read it, and I don't equate "might be some regressions in performance"
to
mean "more than twice as slow"
In a message dated 9/29/04 7:02:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>See the Early Adopter's Guide that was distributed with 5.2.1, or just
>don't worry about it and update to 5.3 which has vastly better network
>performance.
>
>Kris
I'll post some numbers after trying it. But i
While I was had a nice little test set up, I figured I'd test Freebsd 4.9
against 5.2.1 since I had fresh installs handy on separate drives.
The simple test was as follows:
Hardware:
Celeron 2.4Ghz processor
Dual onboard Intel (em) NICs, 32bit, 33Mhz bus
Setup:
Traffic Generator -> FreeBSD Sys
In a message dated 9/29/04 8:44:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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On Wednesday 29 September 2004 04:12, annuar wrote:
> I'm interested on FreeBSD (download the 4.10) and would like to
> install it either on this machine or a new machine.
If you are a new FreeBSD user, you mi
In a message dated 9/27/04 3:04:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Mike at sentex.net previously wrote:
>
> "Given a decent CPU, you wont see very much of a load average at all in the
> 200Kpps / 100Mb range."
Note that load average and CPU usage are two intirely different
In a message dated 9/25/04 4:24:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>The EVIDENCE is to the contrary, since it seems that a 2.4Ghz system
>will be saturated when bridging ~250Kpps with device-polling enabled,
>based on polling stats and userland benchmarking, even though the
>sy
In a message dated 9/25/04 1:06:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
> It seems beyond unreasonable that, with interrupts enabled, 55% of the
system
> is used, and with polling, ~ zero.
"Inconceivable!"
"Erm...I do not think that word means what you think it means."
It's prob
In a message dated 9/25/04 10:17:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
At 09:57 AM 25/09/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
> As long as all your interfaces support polling, you should see
>hardly see any interrupt usage at all, as that is the whole point of
>polling. You can
In a message dated 9/24/04 11:28:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
>I thought I'd reword my question since no one seemed to understand the first
>time.
>
>Is there a way to measure CPU kernel/interrupt usage when device polling is
>enabled on 4.x systems? top and systat both
I thought I'd reword my question since no one seemed to understand the first
time.
Is there a way to measure CPU kernel/interrupt usage when device polling is
enabled on 4.x systems? top and systat both show 100% idle all of the time.
TM
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I'm a bit confused about device polling. I put a counter in em_poll(), and
then enabled device polling for 10 seconds and read back the counter, and it was
called 1.5million times. This is with virtually no network activity and HZ
set to the default of 100.
The docs seem to imply that the polli
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