Re: Adaptec

2005-03-20 Thread Jason Crawford
ny customers if this is not remedied. Jason Crawford ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: Adaptec

2005-03-20 Thread Jason Crawford
There is no problem with giving FreeBSD users who really do want free software, and freedom of choice, the contact information for who to talk to at Adaptec. Everyone in the Free Software industry should be telling all hardware companies what they think about their ways of doing business, whether i

Re: aac support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
Theo has already talked with enough people to get the number of over 1,800 adaptec aac raid controllers being currently used by openbsd users. He has emailed this to Doug, Adaptec's contract for opening docs, and still nothing. It appears that Adaptec isn't interested in repeat business for probabl

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
bsd users just want to do away with it instead, to get something that works "good enough" instead of real freedom, more than just freedom of choice. On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:26:21 -0500, Charles Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 19, 2005, at 8:44 PM, Jason Crawford wrote: >

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
hoice, yet helped to keep future choices harder to get. Jason On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:06:17 -0500, Charles Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 19, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Jason Crawford wrote: > > I fail to see how this "FUD check" email has anything to do with the > >

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:15:20 -0500, Charles Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 19, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Jason Crawford wrote: > > FreeBSD users.. also watch how Scott claims he is about freedom of > > choice, yet proceeded to lock you into only one option for a RAID > >

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:19:13 -0700, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you ask for the blueprints to the plane before you get onboard? Do > > you demand that Ford or GM give you the source to the fuel ingector > > computer before you get into a car? I'm saying that resources are out

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
You don't offer freedom of choice, what you offer is a binary-only solution, THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION, for that card. If you really did stand for freedom of choice, then you would have started pushing to open documentation way before this. Locking your users into only one way of doing something su

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
The fact that the management utiltiy it uses is closed binary-only-can't-distrubute type of utility, means it can't be used by anyone who really cares about stability of their system, development, or who just loves freedom. And won't be used by this community which accounts for over 1,800 adaptec A

Fwd: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
Sorry, forgot you guys too! -- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:51:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Adaptec AAC raid support To: Scott Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Aaron Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
rom the OpenBSD tree is always an option, of course. > > Scott > > Jason Crawford wrote: > > The OpenBSD community doesn't want help for closed utilities and > > drivers. All we want is documentation. No source, no > > binary-only-cannot-distrubute drivers an

Re: Adaptec AAC raid support

2005-03-19 Thread Jason Crawford
n how releasing just documentation would lose them so much business that it's worth losing all this business. Jason On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:21:19 -0700, Scott Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jason Crawford wrote: > > The problem is that the AAC driver doesn't work. My 3.6-st