Re: ldconfig problem after upgrade 4.11 to 5.5

2007-08-21 Thread Martin Schweizer
Hello Kris Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 02:31:04AM -0400 Kris Kennaway schrieb: > > > > Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 12:37:25AM -0400 Kris Kennaway schrieb: > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:22:46AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > > > > After I updated my 4.11 to an 5.5 system (following /usr/src/UPDATING)

Re: ldconfig problem after upgrade 4.11 to 5.5

2007-08-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 07:06:19AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > Hello Kris > > Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:51:18AM +0200 Martin Schweizer schrieb: > > Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 12:37:25AM -0400 Kris Kennaway schrieb: > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:22:46AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > > > >

Re: ldconfig problem after upgrade 4.11 to 5.5

2007-08-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:51:18AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > Hello Kris > > Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 12:37:25AM -0400 Kris Kennaway schrieb: > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:22:46AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > > > After I updated my 4.11 to an 5.5 system (following /usr/src/UPDATING), I

Re: Gnome & FreeBSD

2007-08-21 Thread Ghirai
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Michael S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you all for the suggestions. I am going to take > into consideration everything everyone wrote. > > Michael > > --- "P.U.Kruppa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Michael S wrote: > > > >

Re: DJBDNS && IPv6

2007-08-21 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Steve Bertrand wrote: >> - is there a special way that I need to use tinydns-conf to create a new >> 'server' >> >> - what should a proper v6 entry look like in the data file >> >> My research has told me that I should have new 'v6' type binaries in

Re: ldconfig problem after upgrade 4.11 to 5.5

2007-08-21 Thread Martin Schweizer
Hello Kris Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:51:18AM +0200 Martin Schweizer schrieb: > Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 12:37:25AM -0400 Kris Kennaway schrieb: > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:22:46AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > > > After I updated my 4.11 to an 5.5 system (following /usr/src/UPDATING), I > >

Re: GEOM, Vinum difference

2007-08-21 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Lowell Gilbert wrote: Rakhesh Sasidharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I see that if I want to do disk striping/ concating/ mirroring, FreeBSD offers the GEOM utilities and the Vinum LVM (which fits into the GEOM architecture). Why do we have two different ways of doing the same tasks -- any ad

Re: ldconfig problem after upgrade 4.11 to 5.5

2007-08-21 Thread Martin Schweizer
Hello Kris Am Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 12:37:25AM -0400 Kris Kennaway schrieb: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:22:46AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > > After I updated my 4.11 to an 5.5 system (following /usr/src/UPDATING), I > > get > > around 63 error messages while the system boot up: > > > > ldc

Re: wildcard usage in fetch

2007-08-21 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
fetch -avrpAFU ftp://loginid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/IDX/ActivePhotos/*/*.* The /*/ directory is 2 positions in size and contains 00 through 99 as directory names. The *.* means all files in this directory. When I execute this I get logged in but get file not found or not available error message. I

Re: ldconfig problem after upgrade 4.11 to 5.5

2007-08-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 06:22:46AM +0200, Martin Schweizer wrote: > Hello > > After I updated my 4.11 to an 5.5 system (following /usr/src/UPDATING), I get > around 63 error messages while the system boot up: > > ldconfig: /var/run/ld.so.hints: No such file or directory > search: trail

ldconfig problem after upgrade 4.11 to 5.5

2007-08-21 Thread Martin Schweizer
Hello After I updated my 4.11 to an 5.5 system (following /usr/src/UPDATING), I get around 63 error messages while the system boot up: ldconfig: /var/run/ld.so.hints: No such file or directory search: trailing characters ignored No such file or directory 0: - lmalloc.

Re: DJBDNS && IPv6

2007-08-21 Thread Steve Bertrand
> - is there a special way that I need to use tinydns-conf to create a new > 'server' > > - what should a proper v6 entry look like in the data file > > My research has told me that I should have new 'v6' type binaries in the > ./bin directory, but I do not see those. To answer my own question,

DJBDNS && IPv6

2007-08-21 Thread Steve Bertrand
Hi all, I am doing some serious testing with IPv6, however I can not get the name resolution side of things on my DJBDNS DNS servers to work as expected. On my legacy 4.10 box running BIND, I can resolve v6 addresses inherently even without v6 enabled in the kernel, but on my pre-production tinyd

Re: What is a "sane" setting for maxdsize when running amd64? it seems many normal suggestions do not apply.

2007-08-21 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Aug 21, 2007, at 4:54 PM, N. Harrington wrote: I have seen many posts and suggestions to raise it to 1G. However it seems this only applies to i386. By default, on servers I have with 4G of physical memory, and 2X that of swap, I am showing a reported datasize limit of 33554432KB. far in ex

What is a "sane" setting for maxdsize when running amd64? it seems many normal suggestions do not apply.

2007-08-21 Thread N. Harrington
Hello I feel stupid, but I am confused about kern.maxdsiz (or datasize via limits command) on FreeBSD amd64. I have seen many posts and suggestions to raise it to 1G. However it seems this only applies to i386. By default, on servers I have with 4G of physical memory, and 2X that of swap, I

Problem with cardbus cards being recognized in my laptop

2007-08-21 Thread heatonjmark
Hi, folks, I was wondering if I could get some advice on a problem I'm having getting cardbus cards recognized by my laptop (HP zv6000) running FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE 0. If I insert a card into the cardbus slot it the insertion is not recognized by the system. There is no trace that anything even

Re: wildcard usage in fetch

2007-08-21 Thread Philip Hallstrom
fetch -avrpAFU ftp://loginid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/IDX/ActivePhotos/*/*.* The /*/ directory is 2 positions in size and contains 00 through 99 as directory names. The *.* means all files in this directory. When I execute this I get logged in but get file not found or not available error message. Is

system crash/reset

2007-08-21 Thread Ghirai
Hello list, I'm running 6.2-RELEASE, with xfce. Suddenly, everything froze. Couple seconds after that, the system resets. I ran fsck and everything seem to be ok. This is what /var/log/messages looks like right before reset: Aug 22 01:19:55 deimos kernel: umass0: BBB reset failed, IOERROR Aug 2

Re: NFS /etc/exports question..

2007-08-21 Thread Adam J Richardson
Glenn Sieb wrote: I've recently reclaimed a Gentoo server and turned it into a FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE system (::sounds of cheering::). This is our file server, using NFS, and I had a question about /etc/exports: Granted, this wasn't an issue in Linux--I used to have machines listed by name (*.

wildcard usage in fetch

2007-08-21 Thread fbsd2
fetch -avrpAFU ftp://loginid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/IDX/ActivePhotos/*/*.* The /*/ directory is 2 positions in size and contains 00 through 99 as directory names. The *.* means all files in this directory. When I execute this I get logged in but get file not found or not available error message.

Re: where oh where has my converter stuff gone?

2007-08-21 Thread dgmm
On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Gary Kline wrote: > Guys, > > Where does the ps2ascii and related converter files live in > ports? I thought they were part of the distribution, but nope. > pdftopdf was one. > > thanks for any clues! > > > gary Starting with: cd /us

where oh where has my converter stuff gone?

2007-08-21 Thread Gary Kline
Guys, Where does the ps2ascii and related converter files live in ports? I thought they were part of the distribution, but nope. pdftopdf was one. thanks for any clues! gary -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Servi

Re: Building UNSTRIPPED binaries in ports?

2007-08-21 Thread Herbert J. Skuhra
Dan Mahoney skrev: > Hello, > > I am encountering a bug with named-9.4.1-P1 that I am attempting to work > with ISC on, that I have built from ports (dns/bind94). However, I need a > non-stripped version of the binary to get a backtrace. I can't "roll my > own" binary because it may be relate

Re: Building UNSTRIPPED binaries in ports?

2007-08-21 Thread Josh Carroll
> Is there some make.conf or compile time flag that I can set that would > prevent the stripping from happening? > > Or would I just have to manually edit the makefile someplace -- and if so, > can anyone give a pointer as to where? Setting the strip command to > /bin/true or something, perhaps --

Re: NFS /etc/exports question..

2007-08-21 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Tuesday 21 August 2007 14:44:29 Glenn Sieb wrote: > Hi Jonathan! > > Jonathan Horne wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 August 2007 13:16:54 Glenn Sieb wrote: > >> /u2 -alldirs... > > > > first up, that line negates the need for: > > > > /u2/opt/portage -alldirs > > > > alldirs, is all dirs! anything

Re: Building UNSTRIPPED binaries in ports?

2007-08-21 Thread Vince Hoffman-Kazlauskas
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: Hello, I am encountering a bug with named-9.4.1-P1 that I am attempting to work with ISC on, that I have built from ports (dns/bind94). However, I need a non-stripped version of the binary to get a backtrace. I can't "roll my own" binary because it may be re

Re: NFS /etc/exports question..

2007-08-21 Thread Glenn Sieb
Hi Jonathan! Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Tuesday 21 August 2007 13:16:54 Glenn Sieb wrote: >> /u2 -alldirs... > > first up, that line negates the need for: > > /u2/opt/portage -alldirs > > alldirs, is all dirs! anything underneath is then redundant. Understood. Fixed that. >> /u2 -alldirs -

if_bridge and VMware....

2007-08-21 Thread Brian J. McGovern
I'm in the process of doing something that is possibly a bit out of the ordinary with VMware. I have two stand alone PCs connected to a catalyst 2900 doing 802.1q trunking. I can configure the VLAN interfaces on the stand alone PCs, assign IP addresses, and communicate happily. I then add a PC run

Re: NFS /etc/exports question..

2007-08-21 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Tuesday 21 August 2007 13:16:54 Glenn Sieb wrote: > /u2 -alldirs... first up, that line negates the need for: /u2/opt/portage -alldirs alldirs, is all dirs! anything underneath is then redundant. > /u2 -alldirs -maproot=root important1.domain.com important2.domain.com probably require

Re: Configuring mailman with web server different from mail server

2007-08-21 Thread Eric Crist
On Aug 21, 2007, at 11:45 AMAug 21, 2007, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Aug 20, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote: I am trying to install mailman from the ports. I have different machine for the mail server and the web server and I am trying to figure if this configuration is workable. The MTA

NFS /etc/exports question..

2007-08-21 Thread Glenn Sieb
I've recently reclaimed a Gentoo server and turned it into a FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE system (::sounds of cheering::). This is our file server, using NFS, and I had a question about /etc/exports: We have two subnets we export to--let's call them 127.0.1.0/255 and 10.0.5.0/255: # /etc/exports: NFS fil

Building UNSTRIPPED binaries in ports?

2007-08-21 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
Hello, I am encountering a bug with named-9.4.1-P1 that I am attempting to work with ISC on, that I have built from ports (dns/bind94). However, I need a non-stripped version of the binary to get a backtrace. I can't "roll my own" binary because it may be related to some way that the port is

Re: Configuring mailman with web server different from mail server

2007-08-21 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Aug 20, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Olivier Nicole wrote: I am trying to install mailman from the ports. I have different machine for the mail server and the web server and I am trying to figure if this configuration is workable. The MTA is sendmail, where could I find configure example? You can hav

Re: isc-dhcp3-server issues with windows 2000 client

2007-08-21 Thread Joe
ok, to answer your questions: I built it by doing: cd /usr/ports/net/isc-dhcp3-server && make install the version = isc-dhcp3-server-3.0.5_2 for both, could their be code changes if the _2 did not change? it is started via supplied shell script isc-dhcp3, I just renamed to isc-dhcp3.sh

Re: .rar files on K3b

2007-08-21 Thread Eric Crist
On Aug 21, 2007, at 9:23 AMAug 21, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sirs I've downloaded a .rar audio file other day but I don't get to fix it on K3b. My machine is amd64 and runs FreeBSD-6.1-Release amd64 RAR is a method of compression, not an audio format. T

Re: Trying to move /usr SOLVED

2007-08-21 Thread Michael S
As I posted previously, removing /home (which defaults as a link to /usr/home) and putting it back, this time as a directory did the trick. I read it in Greg Lehey's book. Thanks for your help Derek --- Derek Ragona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:17 PM 8/20/2007, Michael S wrote: > >I tried

RE: Trying to move /usr

2007-08-21 Thread Lisandro Grullon
> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:20:54 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: > Re: Trying to move /usr> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 08:23:04PM -0400, Michael > S wrote:> > > Jerry,> > > > I am sure, because I did it m

Re: Trying to move /usr

2007-08-21 Thread Derek Ragona
At 07:17 PM 8/20/2007, Michael S wrote: I tried changing the /home entry in the fstab to /usr/home, but the result is the same. And when I go to /home or /usr/home, issuing ls, simply gives me the prompt. Does the mount succeed? On the new /usr does home actually mount? -Derek Mic

Re: Trying to move /usr

2007-08-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 08:23:04PM -0400, Michael S wrote: > Jerry, > > I am sure, because I did it multiple times. > As soon as I mount the old /usr (the one on the > smaller drive) I log on into my home directory no > problem. What does /etc/passwd have for the id michael 's home directory? I

Re: Trying to move /usr

2007-08-21 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 10:50:09PM -0400, Vinny wrote: > Michael S wrote: > >I reverted to the old /usr. > >What I had done: > >Initially I set up the newly installed drive (da2) > >to have only one partition (da2s1d) which I chose to > >be /user (note the e). > >I tarred /usr to a file in /user >

connection with pptp

2007-08-21 Thread RJ45
Hello, I ma trying to configure FreeBSD 5.4 to connect to relakks vpn I installed pptp here is the ppp.conf relakks: set timeout 0 set log phase chat connect lcp ipcp command set authname *** set authkey * set dial set login add

.rar files on K3b

2007-08-21 Thread luizbcampos
Dear Sirs I've downloaded a .rar audio file other day but I don't get to fix it on K3b. My machine is amd64 and runs FreeBSD-6.1-Release amd64 Regards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://list

Re: GEOM, Vinum difference

2007-08-21 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Rakhesh Sasidharan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I see that if I want to do disk striping/ concating/ mirroring, > FreeBSD offers the GEOM utilities and the Vinum LVM (which fits into > the GEOM architecture). Why do we have two different ways of doing the > same tasks -- any advantages/ disadvant

RE: READ_DMA Error

2007-08-21 Thread Tamouh H.
> > Hi all, > > During FreeBSD 6.2 installation, the process failed because > of errors like the one below: > READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error LBA=37505132 > > I managed to install by setting hw.ata.ata_dma=0 at boot time > but the same errors occur after installation and at boot time > so I had

Re: SAS (serial attached SCSI)

2007-08-21 Thread Grant Peel
Hi Jon, I have been using two Dell SAS (Seial Attached SCSI) for about a year now, and have no issues thus far. They both use the 'da' driver and from my standpoint, there seems to be no difference between then (Standard SCSI and SAS). I am running FreeBSD 6.1 and 6.2 -Grant - Original

RE: Configuring OpenLDAP on FreeBSD 6.2 Release, Problems.

2007-08-21 Thread Lisandro Grullon
I think it may be a problem there, do you have any how to for that configuration, in case I can double check. Off course besides the info provide at openldap.org. Thanks in advance. > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:38:55 +0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> CC: freebsd-questions@

READ_DMA Error

2007-08-21 Thread Bahman M.
Hi all, During FreeBSD 6.2 installation, the process failed because of errors like the one below: READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error LBA=37505132 I managed to install by setting hw.ata.ata_dma=0 at boot time but the same errors occur after installation and at boot time so I had to put hw.ata.ata_dma=0

Re: NFS export subdirs on different file systems?

2007-08-21 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Pieter de Goeje wrote: On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: I have a directory /net/store. This directory is exported to all machines on my network. I have a sub-directory /net/store/photos. That too is exported to all machines on my network. What I want is that when I mount

Re: Minimal gateway hardware configuration

2007-08-21 Thread Bahman M.
> Note: You need two LAN cards: One for the outside connection and one > to your internal network. (You probably already know that, but since you > referred to 'LAN Card' in the singular I thought I should mention it > anyway.) > Yes, the machine has 2 D-Link cards. > More than enough. > > I use

Re: SAS (serial attached SCSI)

2007-08-21 Thread Albert Shih
Le 20/08/2007 à 16:04:15-0500, Jonathan Horne a écrit > anyone running any SAS with FreeBSD? > > i have a client who is needing a new server, and everything in their > pricerange is comming with SAS now, instead of standard SCSI. the company > president is an old timer, and only knows the word

Re: Minimal gateway hardware configuration

2007-08-21 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 01:32:28PM +0330, Bahman M. wrote: > Hi all, > > I'd like to setup a small home network therefore I plan to buy an old > (cheap) PC to act as the gateway. The hardware specification is > CPU: Pentium II at 433MHz > RAM: 128MB > HDD: IDE 4GB > LAN Card: D-Link 538FE Note: Y

SATA to PCI cards

2007-08-21 Thread Bahman M.
Hi all, I'm running FreeBSD 6.2. $ uname -a FreeBSD attila 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 10:40:27 UTC 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 My motherboard which is an ASUS A7V8X-X doesn't support SATA. I searched the internet and found out that there are S

Minimal gateway hardware configuration

2007-08-21 Thread Bahman M.
Hi all, I'd like to setup a small home network therefore I plan to buy an old (cheap) PC to act as the gateway. The hardware specification is CPU: Pentium II at 433MHz RAM: 128MB HDD: IDE 4GB LAN Card: D-Link 538FE Internet connection is a slow one below 512Kbps and there is only one other node t

Re: NFS export subdirs on different file systems?

2007-08-21 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Rakhesh Sasidharan wrote: > > I have a directory /net/store. This directory is exported to all machines > > on my network. > > > > I have a sub-directory /net/store/photos. That too is exported to all > > machines on my network. > > > > What I want is that when I mount /n

Re: Get effective group id

2007-08-21 Thread Pieter de Goeje
On Tuesday 21 August 2007, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Hi, > > >From a Bourne shell script, how to get (and test) the group id of the > > user that is executing the script? > > Best regards, > > Olivier id -g will get you the egid. if [ `id -g` -eq 1001 ]; then echo "It's a hit!" fi Hope thi

RE: Get effective group id

2007-08-21 Thread Barry Byrne
> Hi, > > >From a Bourne shell script, how to get (and test) the group id of the > user that is executing the script? > > Best regards, Olivier: id -gn should give you the group name. Drop the -n if you want just the numberic id. - barry ___ fre

6.2-RELEASE amd64 system rebooting under heavy load with Areca ARC-1231ML

2007-08-21 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
Hi I have a new system I am building. Tyan S5197 MB with Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4ghz, 4GB RAM Areca ARC-1231ML raid card. 5 320gb disks in a RAID6 with 1 320gb disk hot spare plus two 750gb in a raid1 mirror. Using the ARECA firmware, each raidset is subdivided into separate volumes that each

Re: New Zealand DST updates

2007-08-21 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 04:55:50PM +1200, Brent Jones wrote: > Good afternoon - > > New Zealand is changing when it goes on and off daylight savings time > this year. I have diffs to /usr/src/share/zoneinfo/australasia for > FreeBSD 6.2 which take this change into account. To whom should I send

Re: NFS export subdirs on different file systems?

2007-08-21 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
I have a directory /net/store. This directory is exported to all machines on my network. I have a sub-directory /net/store/photos. That too is exported to all machines on my network. What I want is that when I mount /net/store from another machine, the contents of /net/store/photos too be

NFS export subdirs on different file systems?

2007-08-21 Thread Rakhesh Sasidharan
Hi, I have a directory /net/store. This directory is exported to all machines on my network. I have a sub-directory /net/store/photos. That too is exported to all machines on my network. What I want is that when I mount /net/store from another machine, the contents of /net/store/photos to

Re: Hello!

2007-08-21 Thread Oliver Fromme
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > From a pilot's point of view: > > > FreeBSD is an F-4 Phantom. > > > Mac is a P-38 Trainer. > > > Windows is a DC-10. > >(with a hydraulic leak) > > Nah, a pig. See RFC 1925 and/or Oliver Fromme's .sig. Well, my .sig is chosen randomly from a large

Any PCI card based wls cards work under 6.2? like the linksys ones?

2007-08-21 Thread Jaye Mathisen
I have a need for a PCI-based wls card, under 6.2. Rather have 802.11g, and *not* one that's a pcmcia adapter-type card. Do any of th elinksys/belkin/dlink's work reliably under FreeBSD? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://

Get effective group id

2007-08-21 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi, >From a Bourne shell script, how to get (and test) the group id of the user that is executing the script? Best regards, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscrib

Re: Gnome & FreeBSD I forgot

2007-08-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20/08/07, Predrag Punosevac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I forgot to say in my last massage. The good compromise between Gnome > (KDE) full blown desktop and ***Box X window managers is > Xfce. Xfce is only about 15Mb vs Gnome(KDE)~200Mb. ~> ls -ls /usr/local/bin/evilwm 28 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root

Re: Hello!

2007-08-21 Thread perryh
> > From a pilot's point of view: > > FreeBSD is an F-4 Phantom. > > Mac is a P-38 Trainer. > > Windows is a DC-10. >(with a hydraulic leak) Nah, a pig. See RFC 1925 and/or Oliver Fromme's .sig. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://