2018 at 10:29:59AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > This morning the PORTREVISION on at least hundreds of ports was bumped
> > because gcc8 was declared as the "canonical" version. As a result, I will
> > have about 300 ports to rebuild which will take many hours.
> &
This really answers nothing.
Comments below.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 1:36 AM Mathieu Arnold wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:29:59AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > This morning the PORTREVISION on at least hundreds of ports was bumped
> > because gcc8 was declared as the &quo
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 6:32 PM Jan Beich Kevin Oberman writes:
>
> > This morning the PORTREVISION on at least hundreds of ports was bumped
> > because gcc8 was declared as the "canonical" version. As a result, I will
> > have about 300 ports to rebuild whic
depend on 6.0.
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:55 PM wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:33:52 -0500
> Robert Huff wrote:
>
> >
> >
x27;m not volunteering. Sorry, but the next few days look very busy. If I
get time, I may see if I can check out a few. I don't actually use any of
them, so I won't be testing them... only that they build.
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lso is linked to a shareable that is
linked to either the openssl port installed shareable or the base system
shareable, the code will not load. As linkages grow more and more complex,
this tends to turn into a real rats nest.
I'm not saying that it can't be done, but you have to know
t
> >> GTK2 vs GTK3 (or something else!) as the default, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Gtk2 is deprecated and does not support high DPI displays, so it's
> already a reason to not use it anymore.
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>
When did that happen? I run Mate desktop
this patch?
>
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> Matthias
>
Most patches against ports, including this one, assume that the current
directory is /usr/ports or whatever directory is your ports tree base
directory. Alternatively, you can use '-s N' to ignore the first N
directories in the path sp
You might take a look at audio/fdk-aac/. Not only will it show you how to
do it, it will save you the trouble.
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:23 PM
s.h or some
other code that would define u_char and u_int might be found, but came up
empty. I'd be curious there they are defined in a poudriere build. I see
only . and /usr/local/include listed in the compile line. Tracking these
things down can be painful. I'm afraid and I will not cl
ading with pkg or building with poudriere.
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>
I believe bsdadminscripts has been withdrawn. You should use "pkg check -B"
to check.
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places that may be used for this.
The FreeBSD Porter's Handbook goes into details on submitting the port.
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Looks like the maintainer should be on the CC, so I added Stefan.
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On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:35 AM Bob Willcox wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2
Oops. Disregard. Confusing portupgrade with portmaster.
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On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 6:03 PM Kevin Oberman wrote:
> Looks like the maintai
traffic with tcpdump or wireshark and see if you are
getting no response (firewall) or an ICMP Host Unreachable. If the latter,
it is coming from a router between you and Akamai and is the result of
policy; most likely of your ISP. In neither case is you local BIND at
fault. Historically ISPs have lov
"latest" would also be built with the default versions of dependencies.
SAMBA_DEFAULT was changed to samba48 back on June 8, so why are "LATEST"
packages still being built with samba47?
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print/hplip (HP printer drivers for CUPS) and hope to get rid of
them soime day soon.
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ut I'll admit to not being familiar
with the package building system details. Still,things are going to break
really soon when samba47 goes away.
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uld I rebuild the ports that were rebuilt prior to the installation of
gcc-9.1?
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 7:06 AM Stefan Esser wrote:
> Am 28.07.19 um 01:26 schrieb Kevin Oberman:
> > Today I was hit with 226 ports needing update. With one exception, all
> were
> > the result of the bump or the default gcc version to 9.1. The problem is
> > that 9.1
a package for
amd64, I can't see archs being an issue, so I'm baffled. But that's a
different thread.
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:52 AM Kevin Oberman wrote:
> Today I tried updating llvm80 to the newest version, 8.0.1, using pkg. I
> discovered that the package for llvm80 is built using the deprecated and
> soon to expire sambe47. Last week, in preparation for the expiry , I
> update
dozen
messages from several normally active lists like ports, current, stable,
and x11.
As I may be wrong and everyone who normally would post have all taken
summer vacation at the same time. If so, I do apologize for wasting your
time.
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me to look at it and sorry for the noise.
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On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 12:00 AM Philip Paeps wrote:
> On 2019-08-01 11:35:54 (+0530), Kevin Oberm
dd to find a package that never existed in ports. That
makes it impossible for me to access the source for this package and
recreate it for any reason. My gut feeling is that this is broken and
should never happen.
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web sites visited, and
Firefox configuration. Lots of tabs may be an issue as I try to keep my
open tabs under 20.
I can't imagine trying to deal with 200+, but it must eat a lot of
resources. That may be tied to the failures reported.
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@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released
>
> Apache HTTP Server 2.4.41 Released
>
[...]
I think you are running a bit late. The 2.4.41 port was committed yesterday
at 19:25 UTC... about 14 hours before this was sent out. So far, I have
seen
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:20 PM Jack L. wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:51 AM Kevin Oberman
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 1:29 AM Jack L. wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:32 PM Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz>
> wrote:
dea why the portmaster command includes it. portmaster is smart enough
to figure it out correctly and not re-install a bunch of ports that don't
need it.
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#x27;t link to it. In fact, very few
'p5-' programs do, either. The exceptions are the very few that include C
code (a lot do) that call into the libperl.so (fairly uncommon)m and the
"pkg shlib" does a very nice job of finding these.
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h the .so version bump
of libspiro. This should not happen, but clearly did... and not just to me.
I will also mention that the commit to libspiro did not mention the
shareable version bump or bump PORT_REVISION on ny ports. So the committer
perhaps did not realize that there was an issue. I will dro
. Only ports with modified options need be built locally and
the standard packages should be used for all standard ports.
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12
lients installed.
> > >
> > > (Right now I am looking for the maintainer of roundcube, but this is a
> general question.)
> > >
> >
> > Please see the "MAINTAINER=" line in the port's "Makefile".
>
> A slightly more ge
Yes, it is a known issue, but only shows up when gtk3 is built without
Wayland support. See bug 242790. gecko@ is waiting for an upstream patch.
Until then the recommendation is to remove the patch which looks like
simply reverting to PORTREVISION 3.
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used cblas.)
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On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 3:44 AM ajtiM via freebsd-ports <
freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:49:39 -
later, after a reboot, and it built perfectly. I don't know if it was the
reboot or something else, but everything builds and works fine, now.
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o the wrong thing.
As regards chromium, I have deleted it it and will not consider ever using
it due to it's massive data collection and its blocking privacy tools like
No-Script.
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getting a bit off-topic, but I use Firefox with User Agent Switcher
by Linder. (There are several Firefox extensions that have VERY similar
names.) It works perfectly at Chase and also fixes several sites that
insist on providing the mobile version to FreeBSD. It allows the selection
of
sites that
> > insist on providing the mobile version to FreeBSD. It allows the
> selection
> > of both OS and browser to provide in the user agent ID on a per-site
> basis.
> > It fixes a lot of issues.
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USE_PYTHON" or similar USE_ definitions of the other
languages. (Yes, emacs is not a language, but elisp, the core of emacs, is
and lazarus is an IDE for Pascal.)
I'm sorry of this is not entirely clear, but I hope it helps and I hope it
is all correct. I may have worded some of it poor
f them. It ran for over
2 minutes.
Did I clobber a cache of some sort? Can it be fixed? Is this a bug?
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Never mind. I had a corrupt /usr/ports/Makefile.
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On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:19 AM Kevin Oberman wrote:
> Today I ran "pkg version -
> ( dsl-only.net went
> away in early 2018-Mar)
>
You can feed that list into 'pkg which', awk that to remove all of the
commands and then all but the last space delimited string of the remainder,
and uniq. I also sorted.
bison-3.5.2,1
gdbm-1.18.1_1
gettext-tools-0.20.1_1
Also, notify whoever updated hdf5
that the port needs a PORT_REVISION bump so that the package gets updated.
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tible with python3+. It appears that
the default is to simply build gnumeric without Python bindings in which
case python2 is not required, but the port makes use of it, so it probably
needs at least some massaging.
The big one is scons. It is required by virtualbox-ose, and that is rather
important
bution.
Yes, it's a huge build, but you really only need to package it once. Unless
it is forked, it's likely abandoned so bitrot will get it some day. At
least it's unlikely to change a lot, so you would not have to package it
often other than after major releases or when a shareable
didate for FLAVORS.
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 7:44 AM ajtiM via freebsd-ports <
freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> wrote:
> And how and when will
>
> update-desktop-database : devel/desktop-file-utils
> python2.7 : lang/python27
> perl5>=5.30.r1<5.31 : lang/perl5.30
> xcb.pc : x11/libxcb
>
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Edit the Makefile, deleting :2.7 after p
sy, but I'm unsure how to make the packing list DTRT.
Other than that, gnumric just works with any supported version of python.
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Yes, or, at least a notification that defaults have changed.
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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:13 AM Alex V. Petrov
wrote:
> Hi All!
>
>
x-qt5. If you only need the GUI, you can skip
avidemux-cli.
The command to run the GUI version of avidemux is avidemux3_qt5. The CLI
interface is avidemux3_cli.
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On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 8:27 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey
wrote:
> On Friday, 22 May 2020 at 21:38:44 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:55 PM Wiebe Pestman
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear maintainer(s),
> >> Today I tried to instal
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:56 AM Freddie Cash wrote:
> Perhaps the avidemux port should be renamed to avidemux-libs, and then a
> new avidemux meta-port could be created with basically just an OPTIONS
> screen where your pick which parts you want installed?
>
> Cheers,
> Freddie
>
> Typos due to s
nnouncement that all other methods to keep your system
> in a workable state are now considered obsolete and unsupported?
>
> A port version bump would have enabled rebuilding just the affected
> ports, while a rebuild of all my ports based on OSVERSION will take
> days to complete on
long, but I
was away from my system for a while Sunday evening before seeing the
response with the patch. Obviously, the committer was not taking the
evening off. (Thanks again, Mark!)
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:18 AM @lbutlr wrote:
> On 16 Jun 2020, at 14:55, Larry Rosenman wrote:
> > sysutils/lsof ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES /usr/src to be able to build.
>
> Is there a list of the files in src that it requires?
>
> Can I delete the rest?
>
> (Tranferring 1.5GB is far less of an issu
The update to jsoncpp pumped the version of the .so which requires a
rebuild of cmake. This prevents building a LOT of ports.
Could someone bump the PORT_REVISION for cmake? I have not checked whether
other ports may need a bump, as well.
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Attach the patch and select
"Maintainer approval requested". Include a description of the problem and
how you patch fixes it.
The leader of the x11 project Nicklas Zeising, is responsible for approving
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> >
> >
> Python2.7 has been removed from the ports tree.
> The error message you get verify's that.
>
> py27-hypothesis-5.19.0 Unknown
ython. The transition is really
pretty trivial. Having py27 as default is simply getting totally unworkable.
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On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 2:41 PM KIRIYAM
gt; Stop.
> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/multimedia/gpac-libgpac
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop.
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>
I opened bug id #248418
<https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=248418>for this error
earlier today,
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On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 10:37 AM Jung-uk Kim wrote:
> On 20. 8. 2., Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:15 PM Alex V. Petrov
> > wrote:
> >
> >> CC ../modules/x11_out/x11_out.c
> >> ../modules/x11_out/x11_out.c:978:11: warning
as FreeBSD.
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:04 PM Chris wrote:
> I'm currently performing a big buildup for a large deployment.
> I
is in no way dependent on python27 and, if it is
maintained, it probably was deprecated in error. Probably someone in the
python group saw the 2.7 references and tagged it for deprecation.
You probably should start by contacting python@ and, if there is no
response, open a ticket on bugzilla poin
are that FreeBSD has deleted the port as he still lists its
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> Jonathan Chen
All three work fine for me. 12-Stable on amd64.
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 11:05 PM Kevin Oberman wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 10:48 PM Jonathan Chen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've updated to the latest version of mate, 1.24.1; but unfortunately,
>> the following panel applets fail to load:
>> 1. W
> Thank you.
Looks like you already have a version of gvfs installed. Tools like
portmaster usually deal with this fiune, but manual installations require:
# make deinstall
# make install
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orter just made a mistake.
You can always delete those files manually, but please report it along with
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*** Exiting with status 2
> *** Error code 2
>
> Stop.
> make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose
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>
There is an open ticket on this.
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=250315
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Works again for me. Do you have all of the mate ports updated to 1.24?
(Except atril which has not been updated.)
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 1:23
Try building with MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE and the actual problem will be at the
end. Of course, it will take a lot longer to get to the error as you will
only compile on a single processor thread.
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ew hours to nearly 4 days. I assume
the rsync time varies by quite a bit, too.
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On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:58 PM Jan Beich wrote:
> Tatsuki Makino writes:
>
> > It seems that just 1 package update ( gtk3? :) ) can cause the
> > official poudriere to build a daunting amount of work.
>
> Pales in comparison to FreeBSD security advisiories which force rebuild
> of all 33000 pac
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:56 PM Greg Rivers
wrote:
> On Saturday, 12 December 2020 00:10:04 CST Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > A pkg build in 121amd64 latest was completed on 7-Dec after running for
> > over 90 hours and another on 10-Dec that took a more typical 48 hours
> >
I'm confused. other than dealing with ports, I don't see any relation. One
is a tool to update the ports tree on a system and the other is a tool to
install or update installed ports, regardless of how the tree was updated.
There are other non-deprecated ports that will continue to perf
> Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein
>
> portsnap(8) predates svnlite by quite a bit, but you have just described
why it is not really worth the overhead of maintaining it. As bugzilla
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; stripe, but it is and
was never the solution for many even though it is a great tool and should
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If Stefan had not stepped up, deprecation would have had to happen as
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get
> rid of these messages, which are clearly bogus.
>
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>
Are you sure that you reinstalled pkg since the move to 14? That message
means that pkg was built on a prior version of FreeBSD. As you build ports
and don't do packages, just build and install pkg and that should
be an option any longer, it is harder to search
through the whole thing, I may have missed an simple way to deal with this.
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Thanks to both of you. Looks like I can continue working on the port, now!
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:15 PM Hiroo Ono wrote:
>
> On 2021年3月4日木曜日 9時00分32秒 JST, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > I'm trying to update a port I maintain. Since I last updated, it moved
> from
> > ISC to github and it uses unusual naming conventions.
> >
> > The d
st to
stable@ and current@ would have been nice. Or, did I miss them?
This would also be made VERY clear in the 13.0 Release Notes. I suspect
installing misc/compat12x would have worked.
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> Hello ... my name is SARS-CoV-2.
> You are not wearing a mask?
> Prepare to die!
>
And where do I find the repository? I look at https://cgit.freebsd.org and
see only doc and src. Is there a delay in the move of the repo? Or, am I
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 7:36 AM Michael Gmelin wrote:
>
>
> On 2. Apr 2021, at 16:27, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:53 AM Robert Huff wrote:
>
>
>The transition has happened.
>
>Where do I find the authorit
s not support IPv6. Next
week I'll be moving to Comcast and that will fix the problem. Since it
appears that Frontier has no plans to ever support IPv6 on fiber, or at
least not for several years, I guess an HE tunnel is the only fix if I want
500
uilds, a
lot of time can be wasted as one or two slots on the build machines
finishing one of the big builds and the other 15 slots idle. This does not
happen frequently, but it does happen. With many build cycles exceeding 90
hours, any optimization would be helpful.
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Did I somehow miss it or is the first quarter report MIA? I don't think
I've ever seen it posted more than a month after the start of the new
quarter.
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Thanks. I found it in the archives, but did not receive it at all. Not in
spam. Just no sign of it. I should have received it on current, stable, and
announce.
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t; >
> > Ronald.
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> >>> Thanks,
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> >>> [1] For https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=233010
> >>> [2] For https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:48 PM Mark Millard wrote:
> Kevin Oberman rkoberman at gmail.com wrote on
> Thu May 20 19:21:24 UTC 2021 :
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> > You can greatly reduce the build-time for devel/llvm* by changing the
> > config to BE_NATIVE to avoid building backends for
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ll-out from the security incident. I hope they start
being updated, but I am falling back to "portsdb -Uu" or "make -C
/usr/ports index" to generate the index file. Not ideal and rather
slow, but it works.
As you surmised, portsnap is fine. I am now issuing a "portver
ilter it very easily with procmail or
your mail reader.
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able, though png is
linked to far more things than most.
An occasional run will also catch oversights, like missing an UPDATING
entry or having a shareable version updated, but not entered into
UPDATING. I think it should be a part of the weekly periodic run. (I
also think it should be in the base system.)
I am not sure if pkg_libchk works with pkgng. Dominic?
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ubmit the update in a PR to ports
with a category of "update". Or even better, become the maintainer,
yourself. I have been maintainer for a couple of ports that were
critical to my work, so I could be sure that they would be updated
promptly.
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, though I'm not
positive. Building the INDEX can take between 5 and ??? minutes,
depending on the speed of your system.
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lete the package and re-start the rebuild job.
If I find other issues, I will follow up on this thread. Since my
system is a laptop running Gnome, others may hit issues I won't. This
would be better done on the wiki, but I don't have write access to it.
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