On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:48:03AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> And this shows to a user trying to install it, how?
===> NOTICE:
This port is deprecated; you may wish to reconsider installing it:
is more than 28 days old, which the author states violates his license.
Do not contact a
On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ===> NOTICE:
And this would also stop binary package from being generated
for the releases?
> This is normally as fast as we pull out the rug from under existing
> users' feet.
Umm.. how would it do that?
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:22:50AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> Since the so-called package "maintainer" seems to have gone AWOL
> (as is typical):
Have a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/x11-wm/ion-3/Makefile.
There have been 8 updates of this piece of software in that time.
On 2007-12-12, Edwin Groothuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You don't say "Not more than 28 days", you suggest 28 days as a
> reasonable delay for you.
Frisbee/the package maintainer not bothering to communicating with
me how long the actual delay might be, and would the package end
up in a megafr
On 2007-12-12, Gergely CZUCZY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't use Ion3, and I never intend to, but to be honest, this
> licence of yours really seems to be very unreasonable. It's just
> silly, nothing more.
I could make it GPLv3 and nagware at the same time. Sistros would
still have modify a
On Dec 12, 2007, at 00:47 , Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
I could make it GPLv3 and nagware at the same time. Sistros would
still have modify and consequently rename it to distribute something
worth using.
Let me use simple words here.
ion-3. is. gone. nuked. squished. byebye.
Now, I could spen
On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of
> the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some
Distro Quality Assurance... ROTFLMAO.
I have fixed numerous bugs since 20070927 was released. What have
you don
Folks, don't reply any further to this thread. The packages are
in the process of being removed, no further software from this
author will be accepted, no more drama will be had. Nothing to
see here, move along.
mcl
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:25:17AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ===> NOTICE:
>
> And this would also stop binary package from being generated
> for the releases?
No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of
the prob
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:34:00AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> On 2007-12-12, Edwin Groothuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You don't say "Not more than 28 days", you suggest 28 days as a
> > reasonable delay for you.
>
> Frisbee/the package maintainer not bothering to communicating with
> me
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First of all this is not a criticism of you but of the FreeBSD and
FOSS community
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> On 2007-12-12, Gergely CZUCZY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I don't use Ion3, and I never intend to, but to be honest, this
>> licence of yours r
On 2007-12-12 03:04 -0600, Mark Linimon wrote:
> (Free hint: they already have a windows manager built-in. Get it?)
That's the only thing FOSS operating systems have going for
them... and no thanks to FOSS herd. I bet that if the desktop
herd were to redesign X, they'd take away the possibility
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:47:03AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> I could make it GPLv3 and nagware at the same time.
Yes, and you could put on makeup, shave your armpits, put on a ballerina's
dress, and declare yourself Queen of Saturn And All Its Moons for all it
matters to FreeBSD now.
We can
[admin note: cut down on ridiculous crossposting]
On Dec 11, 2007, at 21:37 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
Number of responses: roughly 30
I just wanted to pick up on this particular number.
Your survey went to (at least) freebsd-ports, freebsd-current, freebsd-
stable, and freebsd-questions.
On 2007-12-12, Aryeh M. Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Taking the project closed source and/or in some other way denying open
> access to the code is not your only option to protect your legit
> rights as a developer.
I'm not denying access to the code (not yet anyway; I'll probably
move
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:45:39AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> The present variant of the terms of license are:
Have you considered the WTFPL alternative? http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
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Ade Lovett wrote:
> [admin note: cut down on ridiculous crossposting]
>
> On Dec 11, 2007, at 21:37 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> Number of responses: roughly 30
>
> I just wanted to pick up on this particular number.
>
> Your survey went to (at least
On 2007-12-12 01:55 -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> Have you considered the WTFPL alternative? http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
No, but I've considered simply having no license. No, not public
domain, but "license-free" as djb distributes his stuff. Aka.
the "Piratic License": "Do what the fuck you wan
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:08:46PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> "Do what the fuck you want as long as you don't piss me off."
I personally consider this to be the null set. No one but you
seems to be able to figure out what this is. It certainly doesn't
seem to consist of "do whatever you want
On 2007-12-12, Garrett Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry but I really beg to differ with you. Vista sucks it long
> and sucks it hard...
There are some improvements in Vista UI-wise (within the suffocating
confines of WIMPshit). But unfortunately it has also falling victim
to
On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:44 AM, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of
the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some
Distro Quality Assurance... ROTFLMAO.
I have fixed numerou
On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:08:46PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
>> "Do what the fuck you want as long as you don't piss me off."
>
> I personally consider this to be the null set. No one but you
> seems to be able to figure out what this is.
Tuomo Valkonen ha scritto:
No, but I've considered simply having no license. No, not public
domain, but "license-free" as djb distributes his stuff.
FYI, djb switched to public domain a few weeks ago :-)
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:36:23AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> Big and powerful distros can [piss me off], easily.
Ah, that should let FreeBSD off the hook, then.
mcl
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On Dec 12, 2007, at 01:38 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
First of all excuse my language but I have about had it with certain
people...
Presumably that would be me.
where the *HELL* do you get the idea that I am attempting to
get other people to do the heavy lifting or have you not learned a
sin
Hi,
I see from the FreeBSD ports page that you are the maintainer of the
Enlightenment package and I was just wondering if there were any plans for
an update.
Thank you,
Lance
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 04:38:39AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> I have used FreeBSD since '95 and except for jerks like you
> have really enjoyed it.
Are you quite sure it would be there to enjoy if not for jerks
like us? :)
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Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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Disclaimer:
This does not commit me, anyone else and/or FreeBSD to an course
of action nor does it imply such a commitment.
Assuming that the following is true:
1. There is a "proven" need to re-engineer the ports
In response to Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of
> > the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some
>
> Distro Quality Assurance... ROTFLMAO.
If we're ta
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 16:21:10 -0700, Bradford Castalia wrote:
> The current distribution package does not include the C++ API support.
> This is important for those of us depending on this API for support of
> applications that we are building and distributing.
>
> When building this package pl
--On Wednesday, December 12, 2007 04:38:39 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
..while I still want to gather more data to pin down the exact
requirements
Don't you get it? You're not GATHERING DATA. You're eliciting responses
from a TINY percentage of the people who u
Im not really reading this threads..
But.. has this something to do with this?
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-April/039802.html
:P
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Hi!
I have noticed that xMule has been removed from our ports tree.
Could someone say me why? I uses xmule and worked for me, but now i
cant install it from ports.
Thank you.
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Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez wrote:
Hi!
I have noticed that xMule has been removed from our ports tree.
Could someone say me why? I uses xmule and worked for me, but now i cant
install it from ports.
Thank you.
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Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:25:17AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
>> On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> ===> NOTICE:
>> And this would also stop binary package from being generated
>> for the releases?
>
> No, the release packages were already built.
Russell Jackson wrote:
> Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible for
> perhaps possibly
> Tuomo here after I reported a crash under FreeBSD 7 on the ion list that
> wound up having
> something to do with the mod_xinerama extension -- something that I haven't
> had time
Hi there,
On 12/12/2007, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In response to Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of
> > > the problem of software Quality Assurance is t
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Ade Lovett wrote:
>
> On Dec 12, 2007, at 01:38 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
>> First of all excuse my language but I have about had it with
>> certain people...
>
> Presumably that would be me.
While your the main one your not the only one.
>
>> where
On 2007-12-12, Russell Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible
Don't worry, you're not responsible (much). I'd been monitoring the
situation having heard of a ports freeze, and nothing having been
done to mark the Ion package as (pot
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Wednesday, December 12, 2007 04:38:39 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
..while I still want to gather more data to pin down the exact
requirements
Don't you get it? You're not GATHERING DATA. You're eliciting response
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:39:04AM -0800, Russell Jackson wrote:
> I really don't see why the extreme action of removing it from ports was
> necessary. :sigh:
An alternative is to simply keep the last released version
that had a sane license.
AFAIK OpenBSD did that, see:
http://marc.info/?l=ope
In response to Russell Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Russell Jackson wrote:
> > Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible for
> > perhaps possibly
> > Tuomo here after I reported a crash under FreeBSD 7 on the ion list that
> > wound up having
> > something to do with t
On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you were watching, why didn't you point this out back at the
> beginning of the ports freeze?
What makes you think I'd been watching that long?
Don't you people read the licenses of the software you distribute?
> Either you didn't underst
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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I'm not sure what the words "refactor" and "recode" mean here.
Refacoring is to use the exis
On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance with
> his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule.
There is no "28 days" rule. There is a "latest release in 28 days or
prominently mark (potentially) obsolete" rule. You can ma
In response to Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 2007-12-12, Russell Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible
>
> Don't worry, you're not responsible (much). I'd been monitoring the
> situation having heard of a ports freeze
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Philipp Ost wrote:
> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: [...]
>> c. Attempt to unify all methods of FreeBSD software installation
>> into a single system d. Same as c but for all BSD like OS's
>
> Wouldn't you clone pkgsrc if you decide on going for d.?
>
Most
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:59:34PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> Even if I made the number 280 days, distros would still complain. It's
It's not so much that distributions complain, it's more the author
of the software who has a set of misconnected wires in his head.
Edwin
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>> Disclaimer:
>>
>> This does not commit me, anyone else and/or FreeBSD to an course
>> of action nor does it imply such a commitment.
>>
>>
In response to Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance with
> > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule.
>
> There is no "28 days" rule. There is a "latest release in 28 day
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> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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Stefan Sperling wrote:
> An alternative is to simply keep the last released version
> that had a sane license. AFAIK OpenBSD did that, see:
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=119522869306969&w=2
Sounds like a fair solution.
Ciao,
Johan
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Hallo,
for a few weeks i become this error message "** Port marked as IGNORE:
security/krb5:
is marked as broken: fails to install". If i uncomment this in
Makefile I can not install postfix with kerberos.
Is there a solution for this problem ?
Thanks for help
Joachim
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Hi ...
I have my /etc/make.conf setup as:
DISTDIR=/home/ports/distfiles
WRKDIRPREFIX=/home/ports
INDEXDIR=/home/ports
so that any distfiles that need to be downloaded, can be ... but, is there
some way I can set thing sup so that anything that
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 05:12:52PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> I have my /etc/make.conf setup as:
>
> DISTDIR=/home/ports/distfiles
> WRKDIRPREFIX=/home/ports
> INDEXDIR=/home/ports
>
> so that any distfiles that need to be downloaded, can be ... but, is there
> some way I can set thing
> The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers
> for all his problems with software and users.
Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in
direct communications with forums such as ours. Their licenses suck much
more, however -- think Jav
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:01:27PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote:
> > I really don't see why the extreme action of removing it from ports was
> > necessary. :sigh:
>
> An alternative is to simply keep the last released version
> that had a sane license.
Or simply use any of the freely available,
David E. Thiel wrote:
> Or simply use any of the freely available, cleanly licensed and more
> functional alternatives, many of which are written by programmers
> posessing an at least marginal semblance of sanity:
Sorry David, but I'm going to pick on this reply as an example of a more
general c
Mikhail Teterin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers
> > for all his problems with software and users.
>
> Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in
> direct communications with forums such as our
On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are far too many quality hackers out there who _do_ care about the
> community to tolerate one who seems to be in conflict with his community.
Since when have I been part of some purported "community"? There's
just me, a handful of othe
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 11:42:31PM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> Since when have I been part of some purported "community"? There's
> just me, a handful of other people with some traces of sanity, and
See, that's the problem! Only some traces of sanity left in there...
I'll spell it out in litt
середа 12 грудень 2007 06:35 по, Bill Moran Ви написали:
> It's his software. If his requirements can't be met, then the port comes
> out of the tree. What else do you expect to happen?
I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an orderly fashion. This
includes marking it FORBIDDEN (or
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> середа 12 грудень 2007 06:35 по, Bill Moran Ви написали:
>> It's his software. If his requirements can't be met, then the
>> port comes out of the tree. What else do you expect to happen?
>
> I expect the port-removal to be i
Mikhail Teterin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> середа 12 грудень 2007 06:35 по, Bill Moran Ви написали:
> > It's his software. If his requirements can't be met, then the port comes
> > out of the tree. What else do you expect to happen?
>
> I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an or
On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Mikhail Teterin said:
> > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame
> > packagers for all his problems with software and users.
>
> Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't
> engage in direct communications with forums such
Hi,
I have noticed that xMule has been removed from our ports tree.
Could someone say me why? I uses xmule and worked for me, but now i
cant install it from ports.
I removed it due to lack of development. The last update happened on
09/11/2006, more than a year ago. Since the de facto sta
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:12:17PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote:
> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2007/10/28/.html
>
> Anyone interested in this thread needs to go read that one first.
As well as http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/tur-users/2007-April/004634.html,
which contains the histo
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:56:13PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote:
> Mikhail Teterin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 12 ?? 2007 06:35 , Bill Moran
> > :
> > > It's his software. ??If his requirements can't be met, then the port comes
> > > out of the t
you can try http://people.freebsd.org/~vanilla/e.tgz
I sended this patch to stas@ about 3 month ago.
2007/12/12, Lance Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
> I see from the FreeBSD ports page that you are the maintainer of the
> Enlightenment package and I was just wondering if there were any plans
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
[...]
c. Attempt to unify all methods of FreeBSD software installation into
a single system
d. Same as c but for all BSD like OS's
Wouldn't you clone pkgsrc if you decide on going for d.?
Philipp
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:30:46PM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote:
> I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an orderly fashion.
Claims of license violations absolutely trump any "process requirements".
portmgr has the explicit task of keeping the Ports Collection in as
best a legal state
On Wednesday 12 December 2007 23:01:57 Mikhail Teterin wrote:
> > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers
> > for all his problems with software and users.
>
> Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in
> direct communications with for
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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Omigod!!
For Gods sake, could you PLEASE not have folks reply to the list! We
have been sufficiently bombarded with this already. If you must have
the replies public, then
It was pulled from Debian, as well:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ion3/news/20070310T233909Z.html
As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed. When 4 different* OS groups
come to the same conclusion, I think there's not much else to say.
mcl
* pkgsrc, ArchLinux, Debian, and now FreeBSD
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:12:17PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2007/10/28/.html
Anyone interested in this thread needs to go read that one first.
As well as http://www.archlinux.o
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> an't do OSS and be a control freak at the same time. It just
> doesn't work like that. mlc has handled this exactly how he should
> have. With a swagger!
Recent experiences have shown me that this is not necessarly true...
usually the control freak
середа 12 грудень 2007 09:49 по, Mark Linimon Ви написали:
> Further, note that my initial commit tried to do this, and I asked the
> author if it was acceptable. It was clear from his reply that it was
> not -- especially considering the following history:
>
> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pk
On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Further, note that my initial commit tried to do this, and I asked the
> author if it was acceptable. It was clear from his reply that it was
> not -- especially considering the following history:
It seemed acceptable wrt. the source packag
On 2007-12-12, Danny Pansters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The guy was never trying to find any compromise.
What compromise can be had, when the distros never try to be
constructive?
> Also, it's worth noting that there seems to be no trademark at all, the
> author is under the impression that a
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