Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Pav Lucistnik
Ade Lovett píše v so 10. 03. 2007 v 01:22 -0800: > As for the second issue, I am still waiting for positive empirical > evidence that the remedy is not in fact worse than the cure. To > date, unlike the gnucash/libltdl issue, where it was obviously > documentable that the previous method of

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Jean-Yves Lefort
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:16:04 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A does not reference C. There is no reason to rebuild A. This is > > called encapsulation. You don't need to rebuild your whole system when > > libpng is updated. It's relatively easy, yet it's entirely useless and > > go

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Ade Lovett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 10, 2007, at 07:43 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:42:31 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Statement #1: "This slows down the linking considerably" This one should be easy enough to prove. Providing timings. Pay

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Jean-Yves Lefort
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:42:31 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 10, 2007, at 05:45 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: > > Repeatedly read the PR until you understand it. Pay attention to the > > provided objdump diff, and to the fact that the patch modifies the > > link_all_deplibs variab

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Ade Lovett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 10, 2007, at 05:45 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: Repeatedly read the PR until you understand it. Pay attention to the provided objdump diff, and to the fact that the patch modifies the link_all_deplibs variable. Understand what that variable does

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Jean-Yves Lefort
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:31:17 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 09, 2007, at 18:30 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: > > I told you there is one. > > You have stated there to be a problem. I am still waiting for > quantifiable evidence. I have not received any so far. Repeatedly read t

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2007-Mar-10 01:23:23 +0100, Jean-Yves Lefort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you don't like my solution, provide one yourself. You are the >maintainer, and you introduced that regression by resurrecting .la >files. libtool is designed to use .la files. By installing the .la files, FreeBSD is co

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Ade Lovett
On Mar 10, 2007, at 00:57 , Doug Barton wrote: Ade Lovett wrote: it's not related to +REQUIRED_BY, as already pointed out. Braino on my part, this is compile and run-time issues, not a ports dependency issue. My apologies. I think it's both, since there is absolutely no reason that mtr,

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-10 Thread Doug Barton
Ade Lovett wrote: On Mar 09, 2007, at 22:47 , Doug Barton wrote: On it's face I find the idea of bumping PORTREVISION for every port that uses libtool in any form a sort of silly proposition. The change in behavior was introduced in Mk/*, I think it's reasonable to expect that the fix happen

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Ade Lovett
On Mar 09, 2007, at 22:47 , Doug Barton wrote: On it's face I find the idea of bumping PORTREVISION for every port that uses libtool in any form a sort of silly proposition. The change in behavior was introduced in Mk/*, I think it's reasonable to expect that the fix happen there too. Ok.

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Doug Barton
Ade Lovett wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 09, 2007, at 17:30 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:05:31 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3. Ports that *are* affected by this issue (assuming the issue still exists) can be fixed in a more rela

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Ade Lovett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 09, 2007, at 18:30 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: I told you there is one. You have stated there to be a problem. I am still waiting for quantifiable evidence. I have not received any so far. That's right, thousands of commits are more el

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Jean-Yves Lefort
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:56:52 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 09, 2007, at 17:30 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: > > > On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:05:31 -0800 > > Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 3. Ports that *are* affected by this issue (assuming the issue still > >> exists) can

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Ade Lovett
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 09, 2007, at 17:30 , Jean-Yves Lefort wrote: On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:05:31 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3. Ports that *are* affected by this issue (assuming the issue still exists) can be fixed in a more relaxed manner (eg: a c

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Jean-Yves Lefort
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:05:31 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 09, 2007, at 15:14 , Doug Barton wrote: > > > Ade Lovett wrote: > >> So, item (1): does the problem actually still exist with a port using > >> the in-tree devel/libtool15 (via USE_AUTOTOOLS= libtool:15[:env]. If > >

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Ade Lovett
On Mar 09, 2007, at 15:14 , Doug Barton wrote: Ade Lovett wrote: So, item (1): does the problem actually still exist with a port using the in-tree devel/libtool15 (via USE_AUTOTOOLS= libtool:15[:env]. If yes, empirical evidence will be required as an addendum to the PR. If no, then we're

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Jean-Yves Lefort
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:34:31 -0800 Ade Lovett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 09, 2007, at 14:21 , Doug Barton wrote: > > Can we have some response from Ade, and/or portmgr on when this might > > be fixed? I would agree that the current behavior is suboptimal. > > I'm pretty certain that this h

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Doug Barton
Ade Lovett wrote: > > On Mar 09, 2007, at 14:21 , Doug Barton wrote: >> Can we have some response from Ade, and/or portmgr on when this might >> be fixed? I would agree that the current behavior is suboptimal. > > I'm pretty certain that this has been addressed with recent updates to > devel/libt

Re: Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Ade Lovett
On Mar 09, 2007, at 14:21 , Doug Barton wrote: Can we have some response from Ade, and/or portmgr on when this might be fixed? I would agree that the current behavior is suboptimal. I'm pretty certain that this has been addressed with recent updates to devel/libtool15 and devel/libltdl15 --

Ports 104877 causing big problems

2007-03-09 Thread Doug Barton
Moving this thread from the cvs lists ... The problem described in http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=104877 is now causing significant issues for our users due to the recent libgpg-error version bump. Can we have some response from Ade, and/or portmgr on when this might be fixed? I would