Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-09 Thread roberthuff
@lbutlr writes: > Speaking with some experience it is nearly impossible to enforce > a ™ trademark, especially if there are other trademarks of the > word or phrase or name. If you want to use McDonald’s in your > name for a hardware store you better be sure you get a ® for it > if you want t

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-09 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Le Baron d’Merde wrote: That also depends on the jurisdiction. Sweden, seems to be the case. Not really - its just harder or easier. Un-registered trademarks has almost no protection in my country (not sweden) for instance. Correct. It is possible to win a legal dispute for a un-registe

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-08 Thread @lbutlr
On 08 Feb 2018, at 17:52, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > Don't know - Trademarks don't always have to be registered to be a > Trademark... a Registered Trademark can carry the symbol and has had all the > due diligence done so its more 'protectable' but the lack of the registration > doesn't make i

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-08 Thread Le Baron d’Merde
That also depends on the jurisdiction. Sweden, seems to be the case. Un-registered trademarks has almost no protection in my country (not sweden) for instance. It is possible to win a legal dispute for a un-registered trademark in some situations in here, if one can proof an early actual commerci

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-08 Thread Michelle Sullivan
LuKreme wrote: On Feb 7, 2018, at 20:06, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Just saying telling people not to call the product the same as the trademark if there are any changes to the product is the way to protect the trademark. But is there a trademark? It seems not from an earlier post. Don't know

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-08 Thread Chris H
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:37:54 +0100 "Andreas Andersson" said So, moonchild (that's his actual name (or tilltalsnamn in swedish) ) might own the trademark. But atleast Swedish trademark laws https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/varumarkeslag-20101877_sfs-

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread LuKreme
On Feb 7, 2018, at 20:06, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > Just saying telling people not to call the product the same as the trademark > if there are any changes to the product is the way to protect the trademark. But is there a trademark? It seems not from an earlier post. -- This is my signature.

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Dave Horsfall wrote: On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Michelle Sullivan wrote: The reaction to the repo in question is also very weird to me, and possibly what worries me the most. He is hurting his own trademarked (heh) product by doing this. Quite the opposite. He has done the right thing to protect h

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Dave Hayes
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 20:18:48 -0600 Jake Roberts wrote: > Does Pale Moon do anything that something like Otter doesn't? I have never used Pale Moon. I just saw a comment and am truly curious as to where it's coming from. :) Perhaps at this point, to balance the sentiment against pale moon, someone

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Jake Roberts
Does Pale Moon do anything that something like Otter doesn't? On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:22 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 02:42:12 +0300 > Rozhuk Ivan wrote: > > Such a reaction is not appropriate for educated people. > > Are you actually implying that modern education somehow > teac

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Dave Hayes
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 02:42:12 +0300 Rozhuk Ivan wrote: > Such a reaction is not appropriate for educated people. Are you actually implying that modern education somehow teaches emotional stability? -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - d...@jetcafe.org *The opinions expressed abov

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Rozhuk Ivan
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018 02:18:28 -0700 LuKreme wrote: > Huh. I would have nuked the port after about the 5th post in that > thread. You’re a very patient person, and Matt is... well. I can’t > say anything nice, so... > The reaction of the community (OpenBSD) is more like a emotional baiting: all ju

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018, Michelle Sullivan wrote: The reaction to the repo in question is also very weird to me, and possibly what worries me the most. He is hurting his own trademarked (heh) product by doing this. Quite the opposite. He has done the right thing to protect his trademark. There

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote: My $dayjob is with a company that makes open-source software which we redistribute under the MPL. I've shared that link with our team as an example of the absolute wrong way to go about engaging with the community. Back when I was active in Toa

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Michelle Sullivan
Andreas Andersson wrote: Not saying we should keep this in ports tree and keep using the name. Just stating that there is nothing he could do about it unless he registers the trademark and get's it registered (varumärkesskyddat in swedish.). The reaction to the repo in question is also very weir

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Andreas Andersson
So, moonchild (that's his actual name (or tilltalsnamn in swedish) ) might own the trademark. But atleast Swedish trademark laws https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/varumarkeslag-20101877_sfs-2010-1877 grants usage to other parties as long as "other partie

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Kurt Jaeger
Hi! > > After your recent harassment of OpenBSD > > (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86) I decided to > > investigate our own packaging of Palemoon. As expected, we are also > > building against system libraries. You can review our build log > > here: > > Huh. I would have nuked th

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread LuKreme
On Feb 6, 2018, at 15:21, Mark Felder wrote: > > After your recent harassment of OpenBSD > (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86) I decided to investigate > our own packaging of Palemoon. As expected, we are also building against > system libraries. You can review our build log he

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-07 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2018-Feb-06 22:32:46 -0800, "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)" wrote: >My $dayjob is with a company that makes open-source software which we >redistribute under the MPL. I've shared that link with our team as an >example of the absolute wrong way to go about engaging with the community. Most definitely.

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-06 Thread Dan Mahoney (Gushi)
On Wed, 7 Feb 2018, Dave Horsfall wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Mark Felder wrote: Would you like us to delete our port of it now? I can arrange for that if you insist on not having proper ports of your software. At this point it might be easier to just add a clause to your license that prohibit

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Mark Felder wrote: Would you like us to delete our port of it now? I can arrange for that if you insist on not having proper ports of your software. At this point it might be easier to just add a clause to your license that prohibits non-Linux platforms. You're a lot poli

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-06 Thread blubee blubeeme
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018, 07:22 Mark Felder wrote: > Ok I will start working on this. > > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225717 > > Thanks > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, at 17:07, Matt A. Tobin wrote: > > Alright, if that is the case, then yeah you can just disable branding. If > > you ru

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-06 Thread Mark Felder
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, at 16:36, Matt A. Tobin wrote: > Greentings, > > It would be awesome if you could build it closer to our official build > configuration. Something more akin to > http://developer.palemoon.org/Developer_Guide:Build_Instructions/Pale_Moon/Linux#head:Mozconfig_Files > > Patche

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-06 Thread Mark Felder
Ok I will start working on this. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225717 Thanks On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, at 17:07, Matt A. Tobin wrote: > Alright, if that is the case, then yeah you can just disable branding. If > you run into troubles, i can help on this.. Or if you wanna come up w

Re: FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-06 Thread Rozhuk Ivan
On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:21:37 + Mark Felder wrote: > Dear Matt, > > After your recent harassment of OpenBSD > (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86) I decided to > investigate our own packaging of Palemoon. As expected, we are also > building against system libraries. You can revi

FreeBSD Palemoon branding violation

2018-02-06 Thread Mark Felder
Dear Matt, After your recent harassment of OpenBSD (https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86) I decided to investigate our own packaging of Palemoon. As expected, we are also building against system libraries. You can review our build log here: http://beefy6.nyi.freebsd.org/data/103am