Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-10 Thread Miroslav Lachman
Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:07:02AM -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:20:47AM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:17:10AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: On Thursday 09

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-10 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:07:02AM -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Anton Shterenlikht > wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:20:47AM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:17:10AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: > >> > On Thursday 09 February 20

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-10 Thread Eitan Adler
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:20:47AM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:17:10AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: >> > On Thursday 09 February 2012 10:02:31 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> > > There are >400 ports instal

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-10 Thread Julien Laffaye
On 02/10/2012 10:24 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:20:47AM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:17:10AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: On Thursday 09 February 2012 10:02:31 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: There are>400 ports installed, so I'm still missi

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-10 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:20:47AM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:17:10AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: > > On Thursday 09 February 2012 10:02:31 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > There are >400 ports installed, so I'm still missing > > > something else. > > > > You didn

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 07:51:08AM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: > > Julien Laffaye writes: > > > >> You didn't run pkg2ng. > > > > > thanks again. I missed that too. Is this somewhere > > > in pkg man pages? I didn't see it. > > > > It is a one time operation when you are coming from the old > >

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Alberto Villa
On Thursday 09 February 2012 13:51:08 Robert Huff wrote: > Is it documented - even mentioned - someplace $GENERIC_USER is > going to find it? If not now, then before launch? In bapt@'s CFT e-mail. -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla I have more humility

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Robert Huff
Julien Laffaye writes: > >> You didn't run pkg2ng. > > > thanks again. I missed that too. Is this somewhere > > in pkg man pages? I didn't see it. > > It is a one time operation when you are coming from the old > pkg_install, so it is not in the manpage. Is it documented - even ment

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Julien Laffaye
On 02/09/2012 11:20 AM, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:17:10AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: On Thursday 09 February 2012 10:02:31 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: There are>400 ports installed, so I'm still missing something else. You didn't run pkg2ng. thanks again. I missed th

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 10:17:10AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: > On Thursday 09 February 2012 10:02:31 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > There are >400 ports installed, so I'm still missing > > something else. > > You didn't run pkg2ng. thanks again. I missed that too. Is this somewhere in pkg man pa

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Alberto Villa
On Thursday 09 February 2012 10:02:31 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > There are >400 ports installed, so I'm still missing > something else. You didn't run pkg2ng. -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla The eyes of taxes are upon you. signature.asc Description: This

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 04:08:14AM +0400, Yuri Pankov wrote: > On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:07:16 +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > >On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 01:21:12PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >>>cc1: warnings being treated as errors > >>>usergroup.c: In function 'pkg_add_user_group': > >>>u

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-09 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 10:32:27PM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: > On Wednesday 08 February 2012 16:07:16 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > I applied the portmaster patch from git, > > then running portmaster -a, I get: > > How did you apply the patch? # patch < portmaster.patch Hmm... Looks like a u

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-08 Thread Yuri Pankov
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:07:16 +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 01:21:12PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: cc1: warnings being treated as errors usergroup.c: In function 'pkg_add_user_group': usergroup.c:75: warning: implicit declaration of function 'gr_init' usergroup.c:7

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-08 Thread Alberto Villa
On Wednesday 08 February 2012 16:07:16 Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > I applied the portmaster patch from git, > then running portmaster -a, I get: How did you apply the patch? -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla The Marines: The few, the proud, the not ve

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-08 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 01:21:12PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > > usergroup.c: In function 'pkg_add_user_group': > > usergroup.c:75: warning: implicit declaration of function 'gr_init' > > usergroup.c:75: warning: nested extern declaration of 'gr_init

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-08 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 10:08:46AM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 01:39:30PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > to use pkgng: > > > > echo WITH_PKGNG=yes >> /etc/make.conf > > make -C /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg install clean > > On ia64 9.9-CURRENT: > > Script starte

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-08 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 01:39:30PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > to use pkgng: > > echo WITH_PKGNG=yes >> /etc/make.conf > make -C /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg install clean On ia64 9.9-CURRENT: Script started on Wed Feb 8 10:03:18 2012 make ===> Patching for pkg-1.0.b1 ===> Configuring for

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-04 Thread Justin Hibbits
Hi Baptiste, On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). I'll file an issue on github as well, but wanted to note it here, too. Seems pkgng segfaults reproducibly

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-03 Thread Alberto Villa
On Thursday 02 February 2012 09:02:03 Matthew Seaman wrote: > That seems to work pretty well, but the portmaster feature for deleting > build-only dependencies doesn't seem to be doing anything. For everyone's information, my repository now contains an updated patch that fixes the issue. -- Albe

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:39:30 +0100 Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hi, > > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to > the ports tree (disabled by default). [remainder of announcement snipped for brevity] A feature request: I've long wished that "pkg_info -g" would set t

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Alberto Villa
On Thursday 02 February 2012 14:29:27 Matthew Seaman wrote: > No, pkgng was definitely installed at the start. I grabbed the updated > patch when you mentioned it in an earlier e-mail in this thread. Have > there been any significant changes since then? The history is here: https://github.com/xz

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 02/02/2012 13:29, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 02/02/2012 13:13, Alberto Villa wrote: > >> This means you didn't have pkgng installed prior to running portmaster? How >> could it work from start, then (by the way, in the future this will have a >> solution directly in base)? > > No, pkgng was

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 02/02/2012 13:13, Alberto Villa wrote: > This means you didn't have pkgng installed prior to running portmaster? How > could it work from start, then (by the way, in the future this will have a > solution directly in base)? No, pkgng was definitely installed at the start. I grabbed the upda

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Alberto Villa
On Thursday 02 February 2012 13:11:58 Matthew Seaman wrote: > I think I see what the problem here is: > > ===>>> Deleting installed build-only dependencies > The following packages will be deinstalled: > pkg-1.0.b1 > > The deinstallation will require 0 B more space > Deinstalling pkg-1.0.b1

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 02/02/2012 10:22, Alberto Villa wrote: > On Thursday 02 February 2012 09:02:03 Matthew Seaman wrote: >> That seems to work pretty well, but the portmaster feature for deleting >> build-only dependencies doesn't seem to be doing anything. I'll need to >> rerun the tests to confirm that though. >

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Alberto Villa
On Thursday 02 February 2012 09:02:03 Matthew Seaman wrote: > That seems to work pretty well, but the portmaster feature for deleting > build-only dependencies doesn't seem to be doing anything. I'll need to > rerun the tests to confirm that though. It has worked fine for me so far... -- Alberto

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-02 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 01/02/2012 21:26, Alberto Villa wrote: > Can you test my latest version and report, submitting a log if you get an > error? Thanks. That seems to work pretty well, but the portmaster feature for deleting build-only dependencies doesn't seem to be doing anything. I'll need to rerun the tests t

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-01 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 03:34:42PM -0800, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the > > ports tree (disabled by default). > > Are there any i386 remote repos setup yet? > > I was al

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-01 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the > ports tree (disabled by default). Are there any i386 remote repos setup yet? I was all gung ho to start testing this, but I only see amd64 repos listed in the RE

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-01 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 01/02/2012 21:31, Alberto Villa wrote: > By the way, you should avoid rebuilding portmaster itself, or a non patched > version will be installed. Oh, I just made some local hacks to add your patches automatically when building the portmaster port. No worries there. Cheers, M

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-01 Thread Alberto Villa
On Wednesday 01 February 2012 22:26:50 Alberto Villa wrote: > > > At the moment I'm trying to do 'portmaster -fa' using your patches and > > > pkgng and telling portmaster to make packages of everything it > > > installs. > > > > > > Unfortunately portmaster gets understandably confused when it t

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-01 Thread Alberto Villa
On Wednesday 01 February 2012 13:19:51 Alberto Villa wrote: > On Wednesday 01 February 2012 12:30:25 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > So, is there a way to do anything like portmaster's +IGNOREME trick with > > the new pkg stuff? > > In the portmaster patch I have currently disabled this feature, but I

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-01 Thread Alberto Villa
On Wednesday 01 February 2012 12:30:25 Matthew Seaman wrote: > So, is there a way to do anything like portmaster's +IGNOREME trick with > the new pkg stuff? In the portmaster patch I have currently disabled this feature, but I think I'll try to re-enable it, even if the solution sounds a bit hack

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-02-01 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 31/01/2012 02:27, Alberto Villa wrote: > On Tuesday 31 January 2012 00:52:25 Alberto Villa wrote: >> On Monday 30 January 2012 23:34:59 Yuri Pankov wrote: >>> The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): >>> https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L514 >>> https://g

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:23:35AM +0400, Andrey Zonov wrote: > On 30.01.2012 16:39, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Hi, > > > > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the > > ports tree (disabled by default). > > > > 1/ Why pkgng? > > > Hi, > > What about p

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread Jos Backus
On Jan 31, 2012 2:27 PM, wrote: > Why not stick this in query? Humans ask for information, computers query > for parseable stuff. The separation is there already, keep it consistent. > In fact, it makes a lot of sense to have a '-f format' option for query > and pluggable formatters. Have -R map

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread Andrey Zonov
On 30.01.2012 16:39, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? Hi, What about pkgng support in tinderbox? -- Andrey Zonov ___

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread rflynn
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:21:37AM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: >> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin > >wrote: >> > >> > No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something >> > > like >> > > raw

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread Marco Steinbach
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). [...] cd /usr/ports/ touch abc touch: abc: Permission denied pkg create net/ifstat Creating package for ifstat-1.1_5 Segmentation f

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 09:09:47PM +0100, Marco Steinbach wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jan 2012, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the > > ports tree (disabled by default). > > [...] > > > cd /usr/ports/ > > touch abc > touch:

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread Mark Linimon
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 08:39:30AM +0100, n j wrote: > This question is probably not related to this announcement, but I > wonder if this change (pkg_* --> pkgng) will result in increased > number of available binary packages in the repositories Absolute number, no. Speed of availability, possibl

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-31 Thread n j
>> On 1/30/12 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the >> > ports tree (disabled by default). This question is probably not related to this announcement, but I wonder if this change (pkg_* --> pkgng) will result i

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Julian Elischer
On 1/30/12 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? the name sucks though it would be good to fix it before it's built in everywhere. like windows NT, which it is

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 03:27:20AM +0100, Alberto Villa wrote: > On Tuesday 31 January 2012 00:52:25 Alberto Villa wrote: > > On Monday 30 January 2012 23:34:59 Yuri Pankov wrote: > > > The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): > > > https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaste

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:16:00PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 1/30/12 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Hi, > > > > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the > > ports tree (disabled by default). > > > > 1/ Why pkgng? > > > the name sucks thou

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Jos Backus
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:21:37AM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin >wrote: > > > > No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something > > > like > > > raw output for

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Alberto Villa
On Tuesday 31 January 2012 00:52:25 Alberto Villa wrote: > On Monday 30 January 2012 23:34:59 Yuri Pankov wrote: > > The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): > > https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L514 > > https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portm

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Jan Beich
Baptiste Daroussin writes: [...] > It has been done with scripting features in mind: 'pkg query' will allow > you to query almost everything from the pkgng database in a script friendly > way. How to query the date a package was installed? I often manually remove my packages based on time interv

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Alberto Villa
On Tuesday 31 January 2012 00:52:25 Alberto Villa wrote: > Set use_pkgng=yes in /usr/local/etc/portmaster.conf. Sorry, portmaster.rc. -- Alberto Villa, FreeBSD committer http://people.FreeBSD.org/~avilla The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Alberto Villa
On Monday 30 January 2012 23:34:59 Yuri Pankov wrote: > The patch seems to have typos in it (usr_pkgng): > https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L514 > https://github.com/pkgng/pkgng/blob/master/ports/portmaster.patch#L528 Please, take the patch from here: https://githu

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Yuri Pankov
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 01:39:30PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: [...] > to use pkgng: > > echo WITH_PKGNG=yes >> /etc/make.conf > make -C /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg install clean > > Some links: > http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/pkgng > http://github.com/pkgng/pkgng > > Note that on github you can

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:21:37AM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something > > like > > raw output for info or query) I do like the idea, please create an issue > > on the > >

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Jos Backus
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: No pkg query can't do this, but this would be a nice addition (something > like > raw output for info or query) I do like the idea, please create an issue > on the > github :)) > > regards, Bapt > I just created issue #128, thanks Baptis

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Jos Backus
Hi Baptiste, This looks great! On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Sample output of pkg info: > > $ pkg info -f libreoffice: > Name : libreoffice > Version: 3.4.4 > Origin : editors/libreoffice > Prefix : /usr/local > Categories :

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 08:43:58AM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: > Hi Baptiste, > > This looks great! > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > > Sample output of pkg info: > > > > $ pkg info -f libreoffice: > > Name : libreoffice > > Version: 3.4.4 > >

Re: [HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread wen heping
Cool ! wen 2012/1/30 Baptiste Daroussin > Hi, > > pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the > ports tree (disabled by default). > > 1/ Why pkgng? > > > Our current pkg_install tools are showing their age, are hard to maintain, > and they lack features:

[HEADSUP][CFT] pkgng beta1 is out

2012-01-30 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
Hi, pkgng has just reached the beta phase, and has now found its way to the ports tree (disabled by default). 1/ Why pkgng? Our current pkg_install tools are showing their age, are hard to maintain, and they lack features: - missing metadata - no upgrade support - no repository sup