Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-08 Thread Nikola Pavlović
On 08/02/14 14:04, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Michel Talon wrote: >> So >> how to interact with local.sqlite? > > Thanks Michel, > Noted. Further, if you really want to debug and inspect with text tools you can simply do $ sqlite3 local.sqlite .dump > dump.sql or $ sqlite3 -csv local.sqlite .du

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-08 Thread Nikola Pavlović
On 06/02/14 13:58, Rick Miller wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal > wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Rick Miller >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski >>> >> wrote: The ability to install certain package version, instead of inst

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-08 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Michel Talon wrote: > So > how to interact with local.sqlite? Thanks Michel, Noted. Would you please consider running send-pr to submit that for man 5 ? Prepending EXAMPLES Appending SEE ALSO pkg(8) There is no src/share/man/man5/local.sqlite.5 in both 10.0-RELEASE & branches/-cur

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 06/02/2014 12:45, Matthias Apitz wrote: > Since many years I have always compiled "my" (i.e. the ports I need) > from CVS or now SVN ports tree on some fast baquery maschine. After > compiling I just did something like: > > # mkdir PKG > # cd PKG > # pkg_create -Rnb `cd /var/db/pkg ; ls -C1` >

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Łukasz Wąsikowski
W dniu 2014-02-06 14:04, John Marino pisze: > On 2/6/2014 13:58, Rick Miller wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal wrote: >>> I suspect he meant "a certain version, and *not* newer" - sometimes >>> you might want to hold back a package. >> Correct. My wish is the functional

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread John Marino
On 2/6/2014 17:13, Randy Pratt wrote: > My experience with mixing ports and packages dates back to 2.2.5 and > the disasters it created. Most of the problems were created by the > ports tree and package builds not being syncronized. I switched to > ports exclusively and have not had those problem

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread olli hauer
On 2014-02-06 19:17, Michel Talon wrote: > > Le 6 févr. 2014 à 13:27, Julian H. Stacey a écrit : > >>> >>> you = >>> have to spend a couple of minutes >>> learning the basic SQL queries, which is no more difficult that learning = >>> obtuse find and grep options. >> >> Package addicts were so myo

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread olli hauer
On 2014-02-06 13:45, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey > escribió: > >> Michel Talon wrote: >> >>> The old package system was total = >>> crap, >> >> local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades of accessibility by find & grep >> & ot

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Michel Talon
Le 6 févr. 2014 à 13:27, Julian H. Stacey a écrit : >> >> you = >> have to spend a couple of minutes >> learning the basic SQL queries, which is no more difficult that learning = >> obtuse find and grep options. > > Package addicts were so myopic they ignored some people won't even > use packag

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 03:55:57PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe escribió: > > > I think anybody who compiles from ports should _really_ use > > > poudriere. I even think it should be strongly suggested in the > > > handbook. (I'd be willing to write that up for that matter.) > > >

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Randy Pratt wrote: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Matthew Seaman < > > m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > One BIG one that I know is

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Randy Pratt
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Matthew Seaman < > m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > > > On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh > > > started it, it

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:49:24 +0100 Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 02:36:30PM +0100, > Christopher J. Ruwe escribió: > > > On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 > > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > If you use poudriere, you can roll your own packages with custom > > >

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Thu, February 6, 2014 4:27 am, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Michel Talon wrote: > > > >>> ports/ is not just for package addicts. I never install packages, but >>> only build & install from ports/. sqlite junk obstructs /var/db/pkg >>> being accessed by find & grep to debug breaking ports = >> b

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 02:36:30PM +0100, Christopher J. Ruwe escribió: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > If you use poudriere, you can roll your own packages with custom > > options and maintain things pretty reasonably, but for a single > > syst

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Lars Engels
Am 2014-02-06 14:05, schrieb Daniel Nebdal: On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey escribió: Michel Talon wrote: > The old package system was total = > crap, local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:26:18 -0800 Kevin Oberman wrote: > If you use poudriere, you can roll your own packages with custom > options and maintain things pretty reasonably, but for a single > system (or two), this is a bit of overkill. As things stand, this is > a real pain to use customized ports

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Daniel Nebdal
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey > escribió: > >> Michel Talon wrote: >> >> > The old package system was total = >> > crap, >> >> local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades of accessibility by find &

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread John Marino
On 2/6/2014 13:58, Rick Miller wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal wrote: > >> I suspect he meant "a certain version, and *not* newer" - sometimes >> you might want to hold back a package. >> > Correct. My wish is the functionality be extended further to mean "a > certain ver

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread John Marino
On 2/6/2014 13:27, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Michel Talon wrote: >> charset=us-ascii > > Junk mail format, not impressed. Use Ascii This is petty. >> i can only conclude, like >> Matthew that you are being absurd. > Personal inuendo does not impress. While you may take this as an unnecess

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Rick Miller
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Nebdal wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Rick Miller > wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman < > >> m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I'd be

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Thursday, February 06, 2014 a las 01:27:50PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey escribió: > Michel Talon wrote: > > > The old package system was total = > > crap, > > local.sqlite is also crap, breaks decades of accessibility by find & grep > & other text pipe / search tools. Since many years I ha

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Michel Talon wrote: > > --Apple-Mail=_102D913B-49CA-4129-972A-758AABCAA293 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Apple-Mail=_16E0BC5A-FE3D-444D-8437-47827626590A" > > > --Apple-Mail=_16E0BC5A-FE3D-444D-8437-47827626590A > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-T

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Daniel Nebdal
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Rick Miller wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman < >> m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > >> > I'd be interested to hear what features you think are missing. We will >> > impl

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Rick Miller
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Big Lebowski wrote: > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman < > m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > I'd be interested to hear what features you think are missing. We will > > implement anything (eventually...) that there is demand for and th

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-06 Thread Big Lebowski
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Matthew Seaman < m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh > > started it, it was far superior to any tool available. > > When I first encountered

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Matthew Seaman < m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh > > started it, it was far superior to any tool available. > > When I first encountered

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 05/02/2014 23:57, Kevin Oberman wrote: > 1. The ports/packages system is not total crap. In fact, at the time jkh > started it, it was far superior to any tool available. When I first encountered the ports, way back in 1998 or so, I was completely mind-blown that something so fantastic could ex

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 05.02.2014 23:02, schrieb Julian H. Stacey: > > Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to > compile from source, > >>> =20 > >>

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 05.02.2014 23:02, schrieb Julian H. Stacey: > Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to compile from source, >>> =20 >>> I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete >>> to

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Michel Talon
>ports/ is not just for package addicts. I never install packages, >but only build & install from ports/. sqlite junk obstructs >/var/db/pkg being accessed by find & grep to debug breaking ports builds. As someone who has advocated the use of sqlite to replace the old "database in the filesyste

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - From: "Julian H. Stacey" Immediately personal criticism is a poor way to start convincing. ports/ is not just for package addicts. I never install packages, but only build & install from ports/. sqlite junk obstructs /var/db/pkg being accessed by find & grep to de

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-05 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to > >> compile from source, > >=20 > > I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete > > to remove old broken dependencies). No opinion which

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-04 Thread Mathieu Arnold
+--On 3 février 2014 19:23:12 -0800 Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: | /# find /var/db/pkg -type d -name "p5*" | xargs -J % find -type f -name | "+CONTENTS" -exec grep -H "5.12" {} \; | grep pm | gtr -s \/ "\n" | grep | p5 | sort | uniq | xargs -J % portmaster -d -B -P -i -g % && yell || yell | | That pi

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 04/02/2014 03:23, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: > /# find /var/db/pkg -type d -name "p5*" | xargs -J % find -type f -name > "+CONTENTS" -exec grep -H "5.12" {} \; | grep pm | gtr -s \/ "\n" | grep > p5 | sort | uniq | xargs -J % portmaster -d -B -P -i -g % && yell || yell > > That pipe, corrected ( th

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Jeffrey Bouquet wrote: > My first post that quotes good: Thunderbird rather than the webmail... > [As this one is about to be send, I see that it is a restate/duplicate of > the one > lost in a webmail glitch ... so apologies...] > > > > > On 02/03/14 14:38, Matthe

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Jeffrey Bouquet
My first post that quotes good: Thunderbird rather than the webmail... [As this one is about to be send, I see that it is a restate/duplicate of the one lost in a webmail glitch ... so apologies...] On 02/03/14 14:38, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: be b

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 03/02/2014 21:24, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to >> compile from source, > > I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete > to remove old broken dependencies). No opinion which scrips are better. > > >> you will

Re: [FreeBSD-Ports-Announce] Time to bid farewell to the old pkg_ tools

2014-02-03 Thread Julian H. Stacey
> be beneficial in a very short amount of time. Even if you prefer to > compile from source, I use source, rarely if ever use packages, (except pkg_delete to remove old broken dependencies). No opinion which scrips are better. > you will still reap the benefits of the modern > packaging system.