Hi Kris,
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
wrote:
> FreeBSD Community,
>
>
>
> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and 13-current
> using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stock FreeBSD images which
> will allow users to perform all updating via the 'pk
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On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 03:52:21PM -0400, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
> FreeBSD Community,
>
>
>
> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and 13-current
> using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stoc
On Monday, April 29, 2019 8:08:08 AM EDT, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
Cc: list trimmed to relevant. Very long essey below, be warned.
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 03:52:21PM -0400, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
FreeBSD Community,
I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable
and 13-
On 28.04.2019 22:52, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and 13-current
> using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stock FreeBSD images which
> will allow users to perform all updating via the 'pkg' command directly.
> Rather than tryin
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
wrote:
>
> Hi Kris,
>
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
> wrote:
>
> > FreeBSD Community,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and
> 13-current
> > using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stock F
Just echo'ing what Ken has stated here. This is part of the reason we
implemented this style with the less granular pkgs. The entire
'userland-base' is one single archive, minus docs/tests/debug files. This
means a single 'pkg upgrade' of userland-base will be able to finish
extraction in one pa
This should be very doable with this package base. We use it for FreeNAS in a
similar manner, where we disable a couple dozen things from base, resulting in
a much more stripped down userland-base package. By default we also break out
the doc/tests/debug bits into their own userland-* packages
On 29.04.2019 16:39, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
>
> This should be very doable with this package base. We use it for FreeNAS in a
> similar manner, where we disable a couple dozen things from base, resulting
> in a much more stripped down userland-base package. By default we also break
> out th
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Kris Moore wrote:
> We've written our own tool "sysutils/sysup" in GO which handles this. It
> performs updates using Boot-Environments to ensure that kernel/world are
> updated at same time.
If I'm right, UFS doesn't support boot environments, so how woul
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:50 AM Lev Serebryakov wrote:
> On 29.04.2019 16:39, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
>
> >
> > This should be very doable with this package base. We use it for FreeNAS
> in a similar manner, where we disable a couple dozen things from base,
> resulting in a much more stripped d
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:50 AM Lev Serebryakov wrote:
>
>> On 29.04.2019 16:39, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > This should be very doable with this package base. We use it for
>> FreeNAS in a similar manner, where we disable a cou
Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using specific to FreeNAS /
TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it as apart of our CFT.
For UFS, there will need to be additional care taken when doing updates.
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:25:05 -0400
Kris Moore wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Kris,
> >
> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
> > wrote:
> >
> > > FreeBSD Community,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-s
>
> Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using specific to FreeNAS
> / TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it as apart of our CFT.
Then please it is "CFT: FreeNAS/TrueOS pkg base, ZFS only",
calling this FreeBSD pkg base when it is not was wrong,
and miss leading.
>
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:55 AM Emmanuel Vadot
wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:25:05 -0400
> Kris Moore wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Kris,
> > >
> > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > FreeBSD Community,
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
freebsd-...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> >
> > Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using specific to
> FreeNAS / TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it as apart of
> our CFT.
>
> Then please it is "CFT: FreeNAS/TrueOS
On 29/04/2019 14:19, Lev Serebryakov wrote:
I'm not very interested in packetized base for "big servers" which
contains full FreeBSd installation
'Big servers' may have a full FreeBSD installation in the base system,
but they may also have hundreds of jails that want the absolute minimum
re
> > >
> > Incorrect, os/kernel-debug installs /boot/kernel-debug which is (on
> > 13-CURRENT) the Witness enabled kernel. os/kernel-debug-symbols are
> > the /usr/lib/debug bits.
>
> I only see kernel-20190420203550_1.txz and kernel-debug-
> 20190420203550.txz in https://pkg.trueos.org/pkg/free
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:05:59 -0400
Kris Moore wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:55 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:25:05 -0400
> > Kris Moore wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kris,
> > > >
> > > > O
Why this thread has to go to all these lists? I receive any mail 5
times!
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> -Original Message-
> From: Rodney W. Grimes
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 10:41 AM
> To: Kris Moore
> Cc: Rodney W. Grimes ; Goran Mekić
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> p...@freebsd.org; freebsd-ha
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> freebsd-...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using specific to
> > FreeNAS / TrueOS, which is why I didn't originally mention it as apart of
> > our CFT.
> >
> > Then please it is "CF
In message <201904291441.x3tefmid072...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W.
Grimes"
writes:
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd-...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using specific to
> > > FreeNAS / TrueOS
> -Original Message-
> From: Cy Schubert
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 3:31 PM
> To: Rodney W. Grimes
> Cc: Kris Moore ; FreeBSD Stable sta...@freebsd.org>; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org; Goran Mekić
> ; freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; FreeBSD Current
> ; freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebs
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With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components such as
sendmail with a port option. That does entirely solve the problem of being
able to reinstall sendmail after the fact without a rebuild of the userland
(base) port but perhaps base flavors could solve that problem ass
<
said:
> The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in the
> first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which
> components they wanted to either create a lean installation or mix and
> match base packages and ports (possibly with flavours to install i
On April 29, 2019 1:09:59 PM PDT, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Cy Schubert
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 3:31 PM
>> To: Rodney W. Grimes
>> Cc: Kris Moore ; FreeBSD Stable > sta...@freebsd.org>; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org; Goran Mekić
>> ; freebsd-hack...@
On April 29, 2019 1:50:00 PM PDT, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>< said:
>
>> The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in
>the
>> first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which
>
>> components they wanted to either create a lean installation or mix
>and
>>
> On April 29, 2019 1:50:00 PM PDT, Garrett Wollman
> wrote:
> >< > said:
> >
> >> The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in
> >the
> >> first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which
> >
> >> components they wanted to either create a lean installa
What you describe is the sysup tool for managing updates with boot environments
which is not part of the CFT ISO. The pkg upgrade command is used to update
the base packages. Sysup is not necessary unless you want a wrapper to create
boot environments.
Having said that I cannot describe the
> On 30. Apr 2019, at 2:25 AM, Cy Schubert wrote:
>
> As for updating, freebsd-update is mostly there to accomplish your
> requirement without pkgbase. Which begs the question, if we're simply
> replacing freebsd-update and it does most of what we want why the extra
> effort? Unless we want
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